Useless runes

Soul Eater · Post by **Soul Eater** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:31 am

you know what rune nobody ever talks about?

Turtle rune

you know why? its pointless.

I mean there are about 3 or 4 abnormalities in the whole game, you very rarely get any of them, and the only one worth worrying about is poison. In fact now that I think about it, these are the only examples I can think of where I've ever got abnormalities:

Poison from mosquitos
Bucket from flying squirrels (and who cares about bucket)
Balloon from holly Fairies (and its never enough to worry about)
Poison from neclord

so I think the only time I've ever used antitoxins is at the very start in the gregminster area.

Asquian · Post by **Asquian** » Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:45 am

I think the big problem is that, sure you get status immunity, but then you're wasting your rune slot. Maybe if they had made a sub rune slot, for status type runes like turtle, sunbeam, hazy, etc. that would have helped things.

Lechium · Post by **Lechium** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 11:59 am

what does bucket do anyhow?

Post by **KFCrispy** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:21 pm

lower accuracy/tech?

Lechium · Post by **Lechium** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:55 pm

damn.
bucket is scary.
turtle runes to everyone!

Kage · Post by **Kage** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 4:14 pm

I wholeheartedly agree with you, Soul Eater. I remember my first playthrough, I equipped the Turtle Rune thinking that I'd encounter a slew of enemies that would change my status. After about three hours I realized that nope, it wasn't happening. I remember feeling so stupid for doing that.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:26 pm

I'm fairly sure Turtle runes prevent Unbalance. I recall equipping both Tai Ho and Yam Koo with Turtle Runes when I went to fight the pirates. It was nice being able to do their unite (which is fairly powerful) every round.

Post by **KFCrispy** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:56 pm

wow, if someone can confirm, we can actually build a strategy around Turtle Runes and powerful unites that cause Unbalance..
Tai Ho + Yam Koo may be very good, but there may be better ones due to high STR and whatnot.. or attack alls

Soul Eater · Post by **Soul Eater** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:31 pm

unites with unbalance:

Gremio + Pahn
Tai Ho + Yam Koo
Kirkis + any other elf (attacks all)
Lepant + Eileen + Sheena
Liukan + Fukien + Kai (attacks all)
Camille + Tengarr + Kasumi
Pahn + Eikei + Morgan
Cleo + Eileen + Valeria/Sonya (attacks all)
Blacksmiths

I'd really like to know if turtle rune stops unbalance, becuase it would be a key way to make maximum damage.

Seed · Post by **Seed** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:00 am

I agree with the Turtle Rune, but what about the Phero Rune? Or is that really in Suikoden 1? I've never been able to get it.

Kage · Post by **Kage** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:32 am

I tested the Turtle Rune to see if it stops unbalence. I used Tai Ho and Yam Koo's Fisherman Attack, and yes, the Turtle Rune stopped the unbalance. Seems it might actually have a use after all.

Soul Eater · Post by **Soul Eater** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 5:09 am

Seed wrote:I agree with the Turtle Rune, but what about the Phero Rune? Or is that really in Suikoden 1? I've never been able to get it.

I used to find this rune really hard to get, and on my first 5 or so playthroughs I couldn't get it at all

Then I found out that you get it from the 'beast commander' enemy, that looks like a girl, with flying squirrels, around the area where you get mathiu, lepant, tai ho etc. I fought there for a couple of hours near the end of the game and found 3 phero runes. I've never used it though.

The rune that I find hardest to get is the resurrection rune. You get this from the whip wolf in the neclord area, but it shows up pretty rarely, and it drops the item very rarely, with these two factors coupled together I found it the hardest rune to get in the game.

Kage wrote:I tested the Turtle Rune to see if it stops unbalence. I used Tai Ho and Yam Koo's Fisherman Attack, and yes, the Turtle Rune stopped the unbalance. Seems it might actually have a use after all.

Thanks for testing that, its really useful.

Seeing as most of the unites I mentioned have at least one person with a fixed rune, they can't equip the turtle rune, cant avoid the unbalance and therefore it cant be repeated each turn... but the following unites can:

Tai Ho + Yam Koo
Kirkis + Rubi/Sylvina
Cleo + Eileen + Sonya
Blacksmiths

also this means that it doesn't matter what row they go in as the unites ignore range and row.

Post by **KFCrispy** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 8:02 am

looks like Tai Ho/Yam Koo will average the most damage after all with Turtles.

the elves attack seems to be the only other semi-useful one, especially when you're roaming around, but then they can't use any magic.

for the other two, you only get to use all 5 blacksmiths in a short moment before the final battle, and the Beauty Attack is fairly pathetic.. those ladies are better off with magic runes

for primarily hit-all unites like the Martial Arts attack, 2 characters can still use Turtles and you will only have Pahn unbalanced after the first round of random battles. that's pretty good..

i don't think Gremio + Pahn causes unbalance. i remember it does 1.5x damage and no penalties, and it was one of my most used unites.

only kasumi gets unbalanced in the Pretty Girl Attack

Kage · Post by **Kage** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 8:33 am

Yeah, but isn't her Shrike rune permeanent?

Seed · Post by **Seed** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 11:43 am

Thanks for that info Soul Eater, this should help me out when I play Suikoden again. As for the Shrike Rune, I'm pritty sure that its stays on Kasumi.