Creation/Distribution of runes

EternalOnslaught · Post by **EternalOnslaught** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:16 pm

I don't know if this has been discussed or if this is even the right place to discuss this at. But I've always wondered, how are runes made from true runes? and it seems that the only time new runes show themselves is when a new true rune is discovered? Are there like some kind of rune specialists in the suikoden world that make this possible? I know this is far-fetched but it has been bugging me, just like how does the rune sages get their supply of runes to see?

That pretty much sums it up the shortest way, sorry if I confuse anyone or if this topic makes no sense.

Rune of Illusion · Post by **Rune of Illusion** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:30 pm

I highly doubt that true rune possessers would let random rune sages come and birth runes from their true runes. So no I doubt humans have anything to do with the process of rune creation. As to what triggers this or how it happens is unknown to me.

To answer the other question the sages gets their supply of runes from the RPG Infinite Supply Store!

Seriously though, it is just a video game technicality that suppliers have infinite amounts of things a player may buy. However, this may be changing.

EternalOnslaught · Post by **EternalOnslaught** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:16 pm

Rune of Illusion wrote:I highly doubt that true rune possessers would let random rune sages come and birth runes from their true runes. So no I doubt humans have anything to do with the process of rune creation. As to what triggers this or how it happens is unknown to me.

To answer the other question the sages gets their supply of runes from the RPG Infinite Supply Store! Seriously though, it is just a video game technicality that suppliers have infinite amounts of things a player may buy. However, this may be changing.

Nonono, I know that they have an infinite amount of supplies. I probably word that one wrong, but do you have any theories? =/

Rune of Illusion · Post by **Rune of Illusion** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:04 am

Sorry about that:oops: . I figure that left over energies from the true runes somehow crystallize into a solid forming a upper tier rune. Then the energies from that rune crystallizes into solid forming a lower tier rune. This is very far -fetched even for me so don't take this too seriously.

The rune sages probably know the secret behind this crystallization process so they are able to make runes en masse. However they may just go around collecting runes for sale.

Do they ever go into this in the games? I seem to remember something like this being talked about in one of the games or I could be confusing this with another game. This is interesting to think about.

The Prophet · Post by **The Prophet** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:17 am

I would just like to flesh out the previous poster's reply. Energy is more than likely the optimum word to use. But, I would go deeper into it. When a True Rune manifest its powers, their is a residual or lingering effect imposed on the world. Example, say God created the Heaven and Earth to spurn creation, their is a side effect to the creation of the earth, there is the birth of wind, water, etc. When a source of power as enormous as a True Rune is released there is a secondary effect where the power lingers, leaving a residue possessing a smaller fraction of its power, but still possessing some aspect of its nature.

True Fire is the essence of flame. It gives life to heat. When that power is invoked that energy leaves a lesser entity, a smaller aspect of itself is left, the fire rune or the rage rune. This energy is stored in smaller portions in order to not jeopardize the harmony of existence. Just imagine if True Runes constantly displayed their true power, the fabric of the world would not be able to cope. Well, at least that would be how I would describe the birth of lesser runes.

EternalOnslaught · Post by **EternalOnslaught** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:04 am

The Prophet wrote:I would just like to flesh out the previous poster's reply. Energy is more than likely the optimum word to use. But, I would go deeper into it. When a True Rune manifest its powers, their is a residual or lingering effect imposed on the world. Example, say God created the Heaven and Earth to spurn creation, their is a side effect to the creation of the earth, there is the birth of wind, water, etc. When a source of power as enormous as a True Rune is released there is a secondary effect where the power lingers, leaving a residue possessing a smaller fraction of its power, but still possessing some aspect of its nature.

True Fire is the essence of flame. It gives life to heat. When that power is invoked that energy leaves a lesser entity, a smaller aspect of itself is left, the fire rune or the rage rune. This energy is stored in smaller portions in order to not jeopardize the harmony of existence. Just imagine if True Runes constantly displayed their true power, the fabric of the world would not be able to cope. Well, at least that would be how I would describe the birth of lesser runes.

I really enjoyed your theory by the way, it seemed like it took you some careful concentration to make it. And amazingly it makes sense in many ways, and that it's not illiogical in the suikoworld. And your seperation of the true runes into three groups, nice. But onto the topic, is each rune(not special skill runes) derived from one of the 27 true runes? It makes sense if so.

The Prophet · Post by **The Prophet** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:22 am

It stands to reason that they are if the Creation Myth of the Suikoden World rings true. You see, the True Runes are in essence the gods of the Suikoden World. Anything deriving from a rune, in essence, must be linked to them do to the fact that all magical/runic energy is attributed to the True Runes. I would easily suggest without hesitation that all runes are related to the 27 True Runes aside from the technique/skill based runes that I believe are more attributed to an individuals skill set.

The fire sealing rune, for example, is the manipulation of runic magic that is derived from the fire rune. It absorbs the property of fire, therefore its basic properties consist on the manipulation of flame. You see, runic magic has many uses for an innovative magician. Mortals of the Suikoden World are innovative and constantly find ways to manipulate the usage of runes for personal and rudimentary means. Just look at Crowley, the mather of combined runic magic. There are definitely more than one way to use a rune. So, I definitely argue that all runes are related and derived from the 27 True Runes.

EternalOnslaught · Post by **EternalOnslaught** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:27 pm

Well, this is is a topic about the lesser runes. Do you have any ideas where the blinking rune is derived of? The current true runes don't seem to be the parent to this one, perhaps it's true rune hasn't been discovered? What are your thoughts?

The Prophet · Post by **The Prophet** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:49 pm

This is a rune that many have speculated about for at least 5 years now. The blinking rune is not a special rune based on the quantity of them available, thus it is definitely derived from a True Rune. The True Rune that it derives from may have little to do with time, which many speculate it does (me being one), but it may have more to do with transmission, travel as well as time.

Blinking is defined as to transmit, typically a message, with a flashing light. Blinking is synonymous flash. Light travels indiscriminately from place to place with no predetermined order unless constrained. This is similar to Viki's time travel. Travel truly cannot be measured through time, or should not, because Viki's teleportations or still within the realm of time and she has no control over the aspect of time at all.

I would assume that if time was the father of the blinking rune, then she would be able to freeze time, move it forward or simply manipulate it at will, but she obviously cannot or has not shown the ability to be able to do so as of yet. Also, the fact that Viki has no concept of time also makes me skeptical about her being able to use a rune governed on the principle of time.

Ready!, Set!, Go! all deal with the transmission of objects through space. Those spells have nothing to do with time at all. So, if anything I would say that it is derived from a True Rune dealing with the manipulation of Space or Dimensions. This is actually supported due to the fact that she comes from a world that consist of distorted space.

EternalOnslaught · Post by **EternalOnslaught** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:43 pm

I've been one of the many that has speculated about this rune, I know for a fact though that Viki isn't the only one who can use it(My fubar in S3 had a blinking rune) I've been intrigued about this rune, and how viki accidentily travels through time to different time periods of the suikoden world.

The part where you typed that this rune is more like a rune that distorts space and dimensions, maybe she travels through some type of wormhole to get to certain time periods in the suikoden world. Or perhaps a dimension rift happens, when she sneezes, it seems to have some affect on the blinking rune.

This rune seems slighty similiar to the gate rune, that she can travel through time, instead of connecting dimensions. It would be interesting if this blinking rune has anything to do with quantum physics, white/black holes. I agree with the part about it being a transmitter as well, perhaps it is able to create a dimension rift or a wormhole to, like one of the attacks the blinking rune has, when random objects fall from the sky.

The Prophet · Post by **The Prophet** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:00 pm

Hmm, there is a similarity to the Gate Rune, but I wouldn't try to emphasize that. The Gate Rune simply opens a door allowing things to pass through the Million Worlds. It simply connects the various dimensions, but has very little power over it. The simple thing is to just look at a gate. The gate, when open, allows things in and the gate, when closed, keeps things out. But, never does a gate manipulate the worlds enclosed within. The Gate Rune utilizes summoning, which is a calling. Now, calling to the beings trapped within the Millions of Worlds is different from going into that world and dragging them out. It simply opens a channel of communication while also acting as a barrier to keep those beings out.

I would definitely agree that this rune creates dimensional rifts and has the ability to distort space, but not time. It simply allows for the bearer to manipulate the dimensions which connect one event in time from another. So, yes, a wormhole would be very possible if my theory is correct. This True Rune is extremely dangerous, but would work very closely with the Gate Rune to maintain the very fabric of reality so that the worlds and various dimensions do not collapse ontop of one another. If Viki is the bearer of this particular True Rune...lets just say there is reason to worry.

EternalOnslaught · Post by **EternalOnslaught** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:06 pm

Well, slightly offtopic I don't think Viki possessed a true rune, and if one of that magnitude, the entire world would be in danger if she did. But perhaps someone from where she is from has that rune.

And perhaps this topic subject should've been "Blinking Rune" =/

The Prophet · Post by **The Prophet** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:56 pm

Well, who knows really? Viki could simply be faking as a clumsy individual. It still takes quite a bit of magical skill to use a blinking rune and she also has a high affinity for Pale Gate magic. So, who knows what she is capable of. It is very possible that she does possess a True Rune, but it is not necessary for a character such as herself. It would be interesting to go to her homeworld again and actually spend some time there.

Rune of Illusion · Post by **Rune of Illusion** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:47 pm

Having skill doesn't mean you are not clumsy. Every time Viki appears in a Suikoden game it is by mistake. Whether she sneezes or is sitting down to eat she ends up in place where, frankly, she is needed. It is like she is being summoned. Whether it is Leknaat and the Gate Rune, another true rune, or the very nature of her Star of Destiny is unknown to me.

I believe that the Blinking Rune is another derivative of the Gate Rune. Like you said Prophet, the Gate Rune enables summonings from one of the Million Worlds and it serves as connector between the Worlds, but why not time as well? I believe that when Leknaat brings Gremio back to life in Suikoden I she uses the wishes of the Stars of Destiny and the Power of the Gate Rune to go back in time and bring Gremio forward in time reviving him. Even if that isn't true I still don't know why a rune that connects worlds over space cannot connect times as well. I don't know how much meaning the symbols may have, but the Gate, Pale Gate, and Blinking Runes all resembling symbols to me.

Another rune that is not really talked about at all is the White Saint Rune. In the Suikoden 2 rune list it says that it grants forest magic. Could this be a precursor to a true rune that represents all plant life?

EternalOnslaught · Post by **EternalOnslaught** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:42 am

The white saint rune? I vaguely remember it, do you have any information on it, sadly I am lost about that rune.

And as the Blinking rune being anouther derivation of the gate rune can be possible, I really like to see how this unfolds. They are similar and different in several aspects and how they operate.