Elevators~formerly:wait a sec... Haven't I seen that before

Wicked_Rune_Bearer · Post by **Wicked_Rune_Bearer** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:11 pm

I was just thinking to myself has I scrolled through some suikoden forums and realized that this has never came up in any forums as far as I know and I don't know the anwser to this either. I would say who's noticed but i'm pretty sure that everyone has so I'll just go with it ok. Lets begin in suikoden 4 you recruit a man (forget their names) in obel who places an invention who claims is his on your boat. no one asks any questions and the game resumes. S1 the next in the series you meet a man in a pub who claims he has a miracoulus invention just no place to put it. You invite him into your castle and no one asks any questions about himself nor his invention. In S2 you meet the old crazy guy who also says that with this invention of his you can go from floor to floor with ease then in S3 you meet another man who claims the exact same thing has his inventors before him. What exactly is going on here. After the wars do these inventions just dissapear and the inventors forget they exist. Or about Jeane or Viki I mean they've been in all the suikodens I'm pretty sure they might have over heard i of the inventors claiming all for themselves and they realizing their lying cause they know it had been invented before. My main question is who really invented the elevator in suikoden and also if 4 people claim in over a 175 years span that they invented the exact same invention then let me say their world isn't progressing fast enough. But Im not sure does anyone else know anything else about this?

Edit by Oppeneheimer: Specified subject.

Angelis_Taleria · Post by **Angelis_Taleria** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:24 pm

Well, if I recall, in Suikoden I, Sergei actually created an elevator, which he later placed a patent on. In Suikoden II and Suikoden III the inventors merely made something that looked like an elevator, but in actuality it was a cart that was being pulled up and down by some very large and very strong men. For Suikoden IV, I am uncertain as to what the explanation is. It might be revealed in the novelization, however.

Eikei · Post by **Eikei** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:47 pm

Suikoden IV is the first in the series where the "elevator" comes to fruition. At least, based on the timeline, that is. Therefore, one could conclude that Manu is the originator of this invention.

Or perhaps, the mechanical design of the elevator itself may be a family secret passed on from generation to generation, and coincidentally always ended up in the hands of our heroes. Who knows...

Post by **Oppenheimer** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:01 pm

The elevator already existed in Budehuc in Suikoden III before the game began. It was just broken and needed to be repaired.

Jowy Atreides · Post by **Jowy Atreides** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:08 pm

Also a pointless nitpick, but the elevator person in Suikoden III was a chick, not a dude.

Lemmy Claypool · Post by **Lemmy Claypool** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:51 pm

It's possible that after Suikoden IV people still weren't interested in Manu's elevator so he just gave up on it and it was forgotten, then 150 years later, Sergei comes up with the same concept. Either by coincidence or plaguerism (I'm sure I just spelt that wrong). Whichever.

HolyPaladin · Post by **HolyPaladin** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:23 pm

Lemmy Claypool wrote:It's possible that after Suikoden IV people still weren't interested in Manu's elevator so he just gave up on it and it was forgotten, then 150 years later, Sergei comes up with the same concept. Either by coincidence or plaguerism (I'm sure I just spelt that wrong). Whichever.

Agreed. Things of this nature happen all the time in history.

Karayan_Fighter · Post by **Karayan_Fighter** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:07 pm

The Chick in suikoden 3 was there to repair the elevator and i do believe she worked under Sergei.

Angelis_Taleria · Post by **Angelis_Taleria** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:31 pm

She worked under Adlai, which is why she uses the same method as him. Rather than have an actual mechanized elevator, she uses huge man slaves as muscle to make it move.

aydas_arrow · Post by **aydas_arrow** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 11:46 am

the first known elevator is Manu's elevator. the reason that this could of dissapeared could be that the ship was decomissioned at the end of S4 so the technologhy became befunct( or was only specifically designed for a ship) therefore Sergi ressurectted the technology, or redefined it in suikoden1 therefore the patent becomes his.

happyfatball · Post by **happyfatball** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:42 am

what could of happened is that it may have been truley invented by the guy in suikoden 4 but he may not have actually passed on how to make it after he died so it was lost. Then the guy in suikoden 1 appeared, and said he invented it, and i guess he put a patent on it someone said? well anyway then the guy in suikoden 2 may not have heard about this invention yet so he said he invented it and in 3 i dont really know heh

Lemmy Claypool · Post by **Lemmy Claypool** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:55 am

Adlai's elevator works different to Sergei's and Manu's though. So technically it still is his invention.

slapstick · Post by **slapstick** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:55 am

AHA! This question can now be answered.

From Suikoden 5, THE SINDARS invented the elevators!

aydas_arrow · Post by **aydas_arrow** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:38 am

*Dies a little on the inside*

son_michael · Post by **son_michael** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:30 pm

slapstick wrote:AHA! This question can now be answered.

From Suikoden 5, THE SINDARS invented the elevators!

thats a spoiler! look what you did to poor ayda

suiko 5 discussion is only allowed in suiko 5 gameplay and suiko 5 plot sections, in the future wait until the ban is lifted and then post that info here