mazus and crowley?

sergio123 · Post by **sergio123** » Thu May 19, 2005 11:07 am

i have heard througout the website that mazus and crowley had a big fight, killed eachother, and then reincarnated, hence the timeline. This does not trouble me. Mazus was Crowleys apprentice. And now they are rivals and enamies. So i was wondering why Mazus has become his mentors enamy.

Post by **Oppenheimer** » Thu May 19, 2005 11:13 am

This is from the character section:

Mazus was a student under Crowley, but his ambition has turned to defeating his master. He has been unable to achieve this yet, however.

Apparently he was ambitious.

Wraith · Post by **Wraith** » Fri May 20, 2005 10:26 am

Though its not known wether or not they where reincarnated eventhough they are in the current suikodens(exept forS4) it was still jjust a theory.

sergio123 · Post by **sergio123** » Sat May 21, 2005 9:49 am

is it known why mazus decided to turn on his master?, or is this another one of suikodens mysteries.

Wraith · Post by **Wraith** » Sun May 22, 2005 6:21 am

Its confirmed that he turned on him...

Jowy Atreides · Post by **Jowy Atreides** » Sun May 22, 2005 9:35 am

Yes Wraith, but the question asked is why, not did he actually turn on his master? Saying Mazus is ambitious doesn't explain much, since those ambitions aren't known. Lastly, Crowley is mentioned in S3 but he isn't actually in the game. So, they're not in S3 either.

Wraith · Post by **Wraith** » Sun May 22, 2005 11:49 am

woops sorry I didn't see the 'Why'.

I think he turned on his master to prove he has become stronger than him.Its very common for a pupil to become greater than his mentor and then wants to prove it to them.

sergio123 · Post by **sergio123** » Mon May 23, 2005 7:57 am

at the end of suikoden 1, it says that crowley returned to his cave, hating the world. Does this have anything to do with it. Or is it known why crowley 'hates' the world

Jowy Atreides · Post by **Jowy Atreides** » Mon May 23, 2005 2:04 pm

Crowley, being a hermit, probably just hates people. I don't like most of the people that go where I go, so I could understand his situation.

miggypig · Post by **miggypig** » Sat May 28, 2005 4:55 pm

hiya im new
most probably mazus wishes to surpass crowley, maybe even to learn the secret of getting over 100 runes on the body. pretty smart of him too :lol:just like star wars 3.
so anywayz i only got suik2. malta doesn't stock other suik games. too bad ive searched for over 4 years to look for suik1.

HellFire · Post by **HellFire** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:15 am

Maybe he was under the influence of another True rune and the only person who could stop him was Crowley, thus he had to defeat his only threat. Perhaps after the battle, Crowley lost all faith in people and lived his second life as a hermit.

miggypig · Post by **miggypig** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:36 am

Every student's ambition is to surpass the master. I learn the violin and day i wish I could be better than my teacher. So I stay searching for simple yet impressive music so that I sound good.

Joveeno · Post by **Joveeno** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 2:03 am

sergio123 wrote:is it known why mazus decided to turn on his master?, or is this another one of suikodens mysteries.

Because it IS human's nature wanting to be able to surpass the teacher. Or at least at the same level as the teacher. It's simply because of human's ego. And you've got to admit that Crowley's such a good teacher because Mazus is able to reach the same level as he is.

Jowy Atreides · Post by **Jowy Atreides** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 5:45 pm

Well, Mazus probably isn't as good as Crowley, since it took Mazus longer to bring himself back after they both died at the same time.

Arenegeth · Post by **Arenegeth** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 11:23 pm

Jowy Atreides wrote:Well, Mazus probably isn't as good as Crowley, since it took Mazus longer to bring himself back after they both died at the same time.

Yes I think Konami said many things to point that out to us.

Perhaps some time in the future they manage to get along together Mazus must realize that along with his ex-master they could be unstoppable.