Let the Narcissists take the Political Spotlight
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Let the Narcissists take the Political Spotlight
the biggest narcissist politico i've ever seen were Reinbach and Millich
a small island leader (feudal lord?) and a high ranking general
why not make a nation that is led by a narcissist
at least a force noteworthy during warfare such as Matilda Knights, Dragon Cavalry, heck even bandits have their own petty force reserved for any suikoden
so why not the narcissists?
Vincent claims an aristocratic lineage, which was quickly questioned as he turns out to be a penniless traveler
i just watched this 14th century-ish french movie and i notice that the king of France dress a lot like the narcissists minus the flamboyant colors and accesories
atrocious or justified?
a small island leader (feudal lord?) and a high ranking general
why not make a nation that is led by a narcissist
at least a force noteworthy during warfare such as Matilda Knights, Dragon Cavalry, heck even bandits have their own petty force reserved for any suikoden
so why not the narcissists?
Vincent claims an aristocratic lineage, which was quickly questioned as he turns out to be a penniless traveler
i just watched this 14th century-ish french movie and i notice that the king of France dress a lot like the narcissists minus the flamboyant colors and accesories
atrocious or justified?
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Re: Let the Narcissists take the Political Spotlight
because narcissists by definition only care about themselves! who would allow them to become leader?
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Re: Let the Narcissists take the Political Spotlight
their fellow narcissists...
they're not completely anti-social, they can have friends
like Simone and Vincent, or Reinbach and that other big-nosed guy
it's possible to enlarge this net to create a force of war
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i myself would be curious to see how a narcissist soldier/infantry looks like
also if selfishness is a quite a moral obstacle to become or have a leader
bandits and pirates have more issues i think
they're not completely anti-social, they can have friends
like Simone and Vincent, or Reinbach and that other big-nosed guy
it's possible to enlarge this net to create a force of war
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i myself would be curious to see how a narcissist soldier/infantry looks like
also if selfishness is a quite a moral obstacle to become or have a leader
bandits and pirates have more issues i think
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Re: Let the Narcissists take the Political Spotlight
Most narcissistic characters seems to become leaders primarily due to coming from established lineage of nobility. This is obviously the case with Reinbach, and presumably with Oppenheimer.
Considering all of them (with the exception of Charlemagne) carry a family name, I guess they all have some ties to prominent families. Though I guess, like in the case of Yuma Valya, there is that option whether they end up as leaders or not.
Considering all of them (with the exception of Charlemagne) carry a family name, I guess they all have some ties to prominent families. Though I guess, like in the case of Yuma Valya, there is that option whether they end up as leaders or not.
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why of course
aristocratic lineage...
that's one way to become a leader
why didn't I think of that
^_^
aristocratic lineage...
that's one way to become a leader
why didn't I think of that
^_^
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I thought Oppenheimer was one of the 5 great generals of the Scarlet Moon Empire. I don't think you can inherit a title like that.patapi wrote:Most narcissistic characters seems to become leaders primarily due to coming from established lineage of nobility. This is obviously the case with Reinbach, and presumably with Oppenheimer.
Considering all of them (with the exception of Charlemagne) carry a family name, I guess they all have some ties to prominent families. Though I guess, like in the case of Yuma Valya, there is that option whether they end up as leaders or not.
On topic though, the idea that a Narcissist would be a political leader is not all that far-fetched, but the idea that a Narcissist would be a productive political leader is. Vanity and self-love runs to deep in them for them to be willing to fight for others, and unlikely to share the rewards.
I would say that Euram Barrows is a good example. Though he may not be definited as a Narcissist, he obviously shares their characteristics of self love and vanity. He was far from an effective leader.
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what's a story with a perfect leader anyway? there are always quirksJanusThePaladin wrote: but the idea that a Narcissist would be a productive political leader is. Vanity and self-love runs to deep in them for them to be willing to fight for others, and unlikely to share the rewards.
i'm not asking for a narcissist protagonist, i only ask for a force that you might possibly recruit
like the dragon riders, matilda knights, dragon knights, bandits, pirates etc.
each had their own quirks, and imo, the narcissists have a very VERY obvious quirk for 5 installments already
they've introduce less productive leaders in the past, so i don't see that becoming an obstacle, right?
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If it happened, i would see them probably as bandits or pirates, though maybe leader of a nancy-boy country (cFoRuAgNhCE)
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if it happened, i'd imagine to see flowery knights
or at least knights wearing colorful costumes like Millich
in a town with a soundtrack that has been played around narcissists since SI/SII (not sure when it started)
and prolly French talking townspeople
or at least knights wearing colorful costumes like Millich
in a town with a soundtrack that has been played around narcissists since SI/SII (not sure when it started)
and prolly French talking townspeople
writing it this way killed the punch lineJanusThePaladin wrote:(cFoRuAgNhCE)
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A force of narcissists would probably somewhat resemble King Charles I of England's cavaliers from the English civil war. Albeit more colourful I would imagine.
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Re: Let the Narcissists take the Political Spotlight
I think a narcissist would actually make a better villian than a hero due to his selfishness. Milich was a great example of how to do it well in that regard, forcing the villages to change their names and whatnot. But that has already been done, so it would be difficult to do it again. Also, the narcissists are comic characters in Suikoden and making one the hero might be difficult due to that, as the heros in these games are usually tragic figures.
Perhaps one could start out as a narcissist and then get a reality check by a tragic event and end up more grounded and toned down. That would be interesting.
Perhaps one could start out as a narcissist and then get a reality check by a tragic event and end up more grounded and toned down. That would be interesting.
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Haha! Narcissist take spot lights! AHHHH... just kidding. Well, why not? I think it would be a great idea. The reason why is that they are selfish, and a selfish main character would be hilarious! THat hero would be such an asshole but I would sure get a big laugh. Oh.. and Oppenheimer already have much of it already in GS1
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why does "spotlight" suddenly means "hero"
i mean, what i meant was that a certain part of the suikoden story should be attributed to a force of narcissists, instead of pirates or knights
really doesn't have to be a hero or anything
just be almighty and powerful
like say for example, put Millich and multiply him by a thousand
there's your army
take Vincent and Simone and put them as townspeople NPCs
then you have a town, a narcissistic town, filled with flowers I presume
in short, replace Gorudo with Millich, Camus and Miklotov with Simone and Vincent
and you have a story to fill a chapter in the game, (just a very poor example, sorry)
i mean, what i meant was that a certain part of the suikoden story should be attributed to a force of narcissists, instead of pirates or knights
really doesn't have to be a hero or anything
just be almighty and powerful
like say for example, put Millich and multiply him by a thousand
there's your army
take Vincent and Simone and put them as townspeople NPCs
then you have a town, a narcissistic town, filled with flowers I presume
in short, replace Gorudo with Millich, Camus and Miklotov with Simone and Vincent
and you have a story to fill a chapter in the game, (just a very poor example, sorry)
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Ah, well Suikoden V had a narcissist town. The arty one, can't remember what it's called.
Also, Suikoden did have a narcissist regiment in the large battles.
More of that would be a-okay in my book.
Also, Suikoden did have a narcissist regiment in the large battles.
More of that would be a-okay in my book.
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Haud Village was a village for fraud artists
Josephine was only there because she's a stow away plus its the only artsy place where she can connect with
that doesn't mean that the entire village is devoted to Narcissists
Suikoden 1 indeed have a narcissist regiment
but it was composed of three pictures
we don't get to see flower knights... boo-hoo
or townspeople having tea in a vine garden surrounded by flowers like it happens every single day
or seeing a Barbarossa-ish leader in feather tufts and rose brooches
Reinbach(the father) was a bit of a let down for me
Josephine was only there because she's a stow away plus its the only artsy place where she can connect with
that doesn't mean that the entire village is devoted to Narcissists
Suikoden 1 indeed have a narcissist regiment
but it was composed of three pictures
we don't get to see flower knights... boo-hoo
or townspeople having tea in a vine garden surrounded by flowers like it happens every single day
or seeing a Barbarossa-ish leader in feather tufts and rose brooches
Reinbach(the father) was a bit of a let down for me