Hard Mode Patch / Rom Hack

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Hard Mode Patch / Rom Hack

Postby dune » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:16 pm

Hello all,

As we all know Suikoden 2 is way too easy once you have figured out how to combine rubes like fury and double beat. While the challenges posted in the 'Suikoden 2 challenges' topic are fun, in my opinion that's not the way the game is meant to be played. Wouldn't is be awesome if the game was still hard to beat even when you have upgraded all weapons and attach a Fury Rune to Oulan?

Pyriel, who created the Suikoden 2 Patch, told me that changing enemies stats (too make them stronger, hence increasing the difficulty of the game) via hacking is time consuming because the stats for enemies are spread out over multiple files. I'm not sure if I understood him correctly, because I have no experience hacking whatsover.

My question is exactly how much time it would take to change enemy stats. I'm also wondering if other people would be interested in suh a patch and what everybody's thoughts about it are?

I was thinking that maybe it's possible to only edit bosses, in order to make at least tje boss fights harder. That would be significantly less time consuming then editing every enemy. If a GUI Editor was created, I would do it personally.

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Re: Hard Mode Patch / Rom Hack

Postby oops » Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:46 pm

I saw the idea a while back by Pyriel and had assumed he had lost interest in it. I'm guessing you would have to edit multiple files just to get upgrade the health, if you were then to change other stats like def and str then it would multiply the work by quite a bit. If I knew how to do this then I would of put time into doing this as I would love to make the game harder to play and then give it another go, unfortunately I don't so I continue to play the game on easy ;)

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Re: Hard Mode Patch / Rom Hack

Postby Pyriel » Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:22 pm

Well, my idea was less to actually make one, and more to create a tool set that would simplify it. Nobody was exactly clamoring for it, and I haven't had the time in any case.

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Re: Hard Mode Patch / Rom Hack

Postby oops » Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:48 am

Yeah no worries Pyriel, if you ever get around to it then it would be awesome. =)

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Re: Hard Mode Patch / Rom Hack

Postby MasterGrand » Sat May 10, 2014 8:33 am

dune wrote:Hello all,

My question is exactly how much time it would take to change enemy stats. I'm also wondering if other people would be interested in suh a patch and what everybody's thoughts about it are?

I was thinking that maybe it's possible to only edit bosses, in order to make at least tje boss fights harder. That would be significantly less time consuming then editing every enemy. If a GUI Editor was created, I would do it personally.


Hello all

I can help for find all stats enemies and bosses .

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Re: Hard Mode Patch / Rom Hack

Postby Sasarai10 » Sat May 10, 2014 4:33 pm

My question is,if you change the enemy level will you get the same experiece points as before? for example if you set an enemy up to level 99,whose in-game level is 50,will you get the same experience points?

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Re: Hard Mode Patch / Rom Hack

Postby Omnigamer » Sat May 10, 2014 4:46 pm

It depends on how the set up the data structures, but from what I've seen you will get experience as if the monster is level 99. Which means you will jump in EXP very fast.

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Re: Hard Mode Patch / Rom Hack

Postby MasterGrand » Sun May 11, 2014 10:16 am

Sasarai10 wrote:My question is,if you change the enemy level will you get the same experiece points as before? for example if you set an enemy up to level 99,whose in-game level is 50,will you get the same experience points?


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Re: Hard Mode Patch / Rom Hack

Postby Jarlaxle » Sat May 27, 2017 6:50 am

Since this topic appears near the top of Google search results for 'Suikoden Hard Mode', just to let anyone know who sees this, there are now Hard Modes available for the first two games in the series:

~Suikoden Hard Mode: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14533
~ Suikoden II Hardcore: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14511


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