[Discussion] Ways to make Suikoden II more challenging

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Postby Hachifusa » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:23 pm

To be more challenging, just use fewer than 5 persons. Try to use Tir McDohl and riou after u get Tir, thats should do the trick. Equip them with powerful runes ( such as Thunder :D) and the game is on baby, and u desperately need their special attack. Both characters is A-ranks, my opinion.Folks! its fun, Ill tell ya, bosses can be difficult but continue till u get pretty frustrated not to come any further. Hopefully u have a required char such as nanami but dont use her then:P :lol:

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Postby Riou_99 » Sun May 06, 2007 6:31 pm

run away from as many battles as you can so u dont level up.

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Re: Ways to make Suikoden II more challenging

Postby Mikain Clan King » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:09 pm

Read the first page, no way Im reading all the other 7 pages :|
Just wanted to say if this isn't already suggested...go naked!....then you could probably use runes and sharpenings and everything...but wouldn't dueling be really hard :D
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Re: Ways to make Suikoden II more challenging

Postby RangerDeon » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:31 pm

I make all my games challenging by using characters I like, not based on their stats or anything. . if he looks cool, use him. It worked for every single RPG I have.

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Postby Mikain Clan King » Sat May 03, 2008 2:41 pm

sabaku_no_gaara wrote:dont do the matilda glitch
finish all the 108 dudes and dudettes
dont get McDohl(he rocks though)
complete the cooking matches
and dont CHEAT

I've done that, besides the Mcdohl part...I got him, then loaded my file and beat the last boss without him, oh and I'm reading the other 7 pages now.
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Postby rnoron » Fri May 16, 2008 12:06 pm

Riou_99 wrote:run away from as many battles as you can so u dont level up.

i thought i'd mention that a no-exp game is possible, by killing off both your own party and the enemy party at the same time (using blue gate lv4 or fire lizard) at bosses so that no party members gain exp.

not sure if anyone has actually attempted an LLG in SII, but it is pretty much the staple challenge in most rpgs

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Re: Ways to make Suikoden II more challenging

Postby highwind44029 » Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:52 pm

Zamza's Fire Dragon also works. Interesting challenge, but I imagine it will be very difficult. Earth Rune would most likely be your best friend with Clay Guardian, Revenge Earth and Canopy Defense.

Can Jowy be used at the start as a "shield" for experience during the early stages until you could get the Fire Lizard rune? Boss fights are definitely going to be tough. There is also risk for the Fire Lizard rune-bearer. What if s/he suddenly makes a critical attack when you don't intend for it? XD

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Re: Ways to make Suikoden II more challenging

Postby Author » Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:16 pm

I'd read all the pages sometime later but here's a challenge.

Always let Riou be killed in battles and let your weakling pallies do the butt kicking. And
no McDohl because we know he's as good, if not better, than Riou xD

Oh, and have an all-animals party. Good luck.

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Postby Mikain Clan King » Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:14 pm

All animals may be to easy, just pop in your big buddies Mr. Unicorn and Mr. Gryphon and then you got a killer unite, add Shiro with a double beat and your smoking.....
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Re: Ways to make Suikoden II more challenging

Postby Author » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:43 am

Mikain Clan King wrote:All animals may be to easy, just pop in your big buddies Mr. Unicorn and Mr. Gryphon and then you got a killer unite, add Shiro with a double beat and your smoking.....


Yea, but they're tad weak with their defenses. Especially since they can't use items XD

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Re: Ways to make Suikoden II more challenging

Postby highwind44029 » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:34 am

I tried to use the five squirrels in the battle against the Beast Rune. Suffice to say, despite them all being Level 99, and having the upper tier elemental runes (plus Makumaku had Blue Gate), it still proved to be a difficult battle, what with the backfire rate between everyone casting spells. XD

During one of my first playthroughs (my second one I believe), I used Feather, Sigfried, and Badeaux. It was pretty tough, what with only four characters in the battle, but I do think that I beat it with them, because I clearly recall only Badeaux popped out at the throne room.

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Re: Ways to make Suikoden II more challenging

Postby Mikain Clan King » Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:38 am

You could always turn Riou into a healer, add a wizard and flowing. That may help the animals out. If you have double beat on all of them you could cast silent lake.
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Re: Ways to make Suikoden II more challenging

Postby FlameGeneralSeed » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:10 pm

Play with the controller turned around. That'll put you in a pickle!
XD
Or just close your eyes.

run away from as many battles as you can so u dont level up.

I agree with Riou_99.
Just don't level up. I didn't the first time I played through, just cause I didn't like to battle[I was young then] and I died.
A lot.
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Re: Ways to make Suikoden II more challenging

Postby highwind44029 » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:24 pm

Mikain Clan King wrote:You could always turn Riou into a healer, add a wizard and flowing. That may help the animals out. If you have double beat on all of them you could cast silent lake.

Wizard+Flowing = pointless. Why sacrifice MDEF for like 50 points of healing? And why Flowing when you have Bright Shield? Also, Silent Lake is a double-edged sword. Sure, the enemy is silenced, but so are you, and with these animals' horrible defense, you're going to need to use Great Blessing/Battle Oath a LOT! Sure, there are scrolls, but they are consumable, and you would waste a turn grabbing for another one when it runs out. I would much rather have a +10 MDF from a Gold Emblem or a +% Repel Magic from a Fish Badge or Water Amulet.

I would give him a Resurrection Rune and a Mother Earth Rune. Restrict Level 1 and Level 3 MP to Bright Shield, Level 2 is for either Yell or Canopy Defense, which are both useful, and Level 4 is for Guardian Earth.

Balance Rune for "Mr. Unicorn" and "Mr. Gryphon". I would pick Makumaku as the last beast with a Blue Gate and a Flowing Rune. Protect Mist is handy, Kindness Rain is there for emergency healing, and the last two levels are for damage dealing from the Blue Gate Rune. Mother Ocean may also be used for emergencies.

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Re: Ways to make Suikoden II more challenging

Postby Author » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:32 am

Mikain Clan King wrote:You could always turn Riou into a healer, add a wizard and flowing. That may help the animals out. If you have double beat on all of them you could cast silent lake.


Nope, without Riou. It has to be without Riou. It's always hard without the Tenkai xD


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