Neclord Battle Question

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Neclord Battle Question

Postby TheyCallMeStacy » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:11 pm

EDIT: I didn't notice earlier, but Kage had the spark rune on, so I think that is likely what made Viktor miss. I know the spark rune works weirdly in this game, as in my other thread I mention how it won't let another character attack twice if they have a double beat rune, so maybe it alters the character's attack property or something.

I was watching this random video of the Neclord fight at his castle, and interestingly, when the player told everyone to attack, he dodged even Viktor's attack. He then put free will, and Neclord dodged every attack. When Viktor's health was low, however, and the player ordered him to heal, he attacked anyway, hitting and triggering the usual animation and making Neclord vulnerable. I am guessing this is the game's way of preventing the battle from being unwinnable if Viktor faints before he attacks Neclord.

Thus, does anyone know what happens if they enter the battle with Viktor already fainted? Haha, I can imagine this as one reason why they provide the coffins as a free inn to prevent this sort of thing from happening. I don't have a save to test this out, but I would love to see what happens.

On a similar note, does this game use your current HP when entering duels? I am guessing that you would just automatically lose if you tried to enter one with the dueling character having no HP.

Here's the video (battle starts at 18:20)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d44KzDVbGQE
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Re: Neclord Battle Question

Postby gildedtalon » Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:11 pm

Most people don't even know about the coffins act as a free inn.

Yep, game uses current HP when entering duels. It's why I lost so many duels in the past.
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Re: Neclord Battle Question

Postby Celes » Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:10 pm

Neclord is invulnerable to all elements and has a 100% evade until he was hit by a normal attack from Viktor. Then he switches to another ste of stats (see bestiary).

HP, max HP, ATK and ARM are used for duels.

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Re: Neclord Battle Question

Postby TheyCallMeStacy » Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:53 pm

Celes wrote:Neclord is invulnerable to all elements and has a 100% evade until he was hit by a normal attack from Viktor. Then he switches to another ste of stats (see bestiary).

HP, max HP, ATK and ARM are used for duels.


Thanks for the reply, Celes. Not trying to be rude, since I absolutely appreciate all the work you have done, but I've played this game a bunch of times (mainly because your site is so awesome and makes it easy to plan everything!) so I already know that Neclord is invulnerable to attacks until Viktor hits him :D . The video I linked was just the first time I've ever seen him dodge Viktor's initial attack, which I have never seen ever happen in any playthrough, my own or anybody else's, and the game overriding the player's command telling Viktor to heal just forced me to think about what would happen if Viktor was not able to attack because he was knocked out (ie would you just be stuck in an unwinnable battle, but actually be forced to continue at the game over screen). It's the same reason why I thought about the question about duels, since I always just fully healed a character if they got knocked out, so I never thought to enter a duel with a knocked out character. Sorry If I wasn't clear enough about this in my initial post.

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Re: Neclord Battle Question

Postby Z3R01337 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:28 pm

Worth noting that there is only 1 way to hit Neclord before Viktor's attack and that is Black Shadow. I think Judgement might work too but it is inaccessible at this point in the game.

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Re: Neclord Battle Question

Postby Celes » Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:15 pm

Black Shadow inflicts damage?

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Re: Neclord Battle Question

Postby wataru14 » Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:19 am

I don't think it does. Spells can't "miss" the Neclord, they just do 0 damage. Maybe OP saw the damage readout through peripheral vision and didn't realize the damage display said 0?

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Re: Neclord Battle Question

Postby Z3R01337 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:29 pm

Black Shadow does inflict actual, normal damage. I thought it might just be a visual bug so I counted total health left after and it does do damage. The only other thing I can think of is that it might be version specific since I was playing on the PSTV version but I really doubt it.


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