[Guide] War Battle Guide

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Re: [Guide] War Battle Guide

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CVagts wrote:Pahn's death does not affect the numbers IIRC
So you end up with the same number of soldiers regardless of Pahn's death?
How about perma death for other characters?
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Celes wrote:I guess the troops don't add up per character. Perhaps they have a different number of soldiers per unit combination. The same goes for the attack value. For example: Quincy solo: 9 ATK. Lorelai solo: 11 ATK. Quincy + Lorelai: 15 ATK.

Source: http://www.suikosource.com/games/gs1/gu ... attles.php
I noticed attack value is different if a character is the leader or not. Based on your example:

Adventurers:
Lorelai alone: Bow 11
Quincy alone: Bow 9
Mina alone: Bow 4
Lorelai + Quincy: Bow 15 (11 from Lorelai + 4 from Quincy)
Lorelai + Mina: Bow 13 (11 from Lorelai + 2 from Mina)
all three: Bow 17 (11 from Lorelai + 4 from Quincy + 2 from Mina)

So you can say:
Lorelai has an attack power of bow 11 (can only lead)
Quincy has an attack power of Bow 9 when leading / +4 attack bonus when supporting
Mina has an attack power of Bow 4 when leading / +2 attack bonus when supporting

This pattern works with all the (non-special) units on the Army Battle Guide guide chart. The only characters that cannot be broken down this way are Camille, Cleo, Fu Su Lu, Gen, Hix, Kamandol, Kuromimi, Sonya, Stallion, Sydonia, Sylvina, Tai Ho, Tengaar, Varkas, and Yam Koo (since they all are part of units that have a mandatory unkillable recruit in slot 2 that is either recruited at the same time as another character in that unit or is recruited before the final unit leader, so the individual support bonuses cannot be isolated). Maybe someone with a Gameshark can figure those out.
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I managed to get the numbers for everyone except Sonya and Cleo. I would need to remove Cleo from the game temporarily to get Sonya's leadership value (and thereby figure out Cleo's), but my cheat device will not allow me to drop her. I'm trying this at Pannu Yakuta, so maybe I will be able to successfully remove her in a later battle? Otherwise, everyone else's values have been isolated.
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Re: [Guide] War Battle Guide

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Nice. Please share :)
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EDIT: I got Sonya and Cleo. Apparently Codetwink has the wrong character enable codes listed and the reason I couldn't remove Cleo is that I was entering the wrong code. Data fully updated.

Here are my findings in the following format:

UNIT NAME
Character - Leadership Score / Support Bonus

ADVENTURERS
Lorelai - Bow 11 / ---
Quincy - Bow 9 / +4
Mina - Bow 4 / +2

ARCHERS
Rubi - Bow 4 / ---
Georges - Bow 6 / +2
Marco - Bow 5 / +2

BANDITS
Varkas - Charge 13 / ---
Sydonia - --- / +4
Kessler - --- / +4

BLACK GOLDS
Maas - Charge 7 / ---
Meese - --- / +4
Moose - --- / +4

CARPENTERS
Gen - Charge 7 / ---
Kamandol - --- / +2
Tesla - --- / +5

CHILDREN OF THE RUNES
Crowley - Magic 19 / ---
Luc - Magic 20 / +2
Lotte - Magic 23 / +4

COMMANDER'S TEAM
Tir - Charge 14 / ---
Pahn - --- / +5
Gremio - --- / +7

COOKS
Antonio - Bow 6 / ---
Lester - Bow 6 / +4
Rock - Bow 7 / +4

ENGINEERS
Sergei - Bow 5 / ---
Hugo - Bow 4 / +4
Templeton - Bow 8 / +3

EXPERTS
Clive - Bow 9 / ---
Pesmerga - Charge 8 / +6
Mace - Bow 10 / +4

FELLOWES
Blackman - Charge 15 / ---
Zen - Charge 6 / +4
Ivanov - Charge 6 / +2

FISHERMEN
Tai Ho - Charge 13 / ---
Yam Koo - --- / +4
Kimberly - --- / +2

FOREST PROTECTORS
Kirkis - Bow 13 / ---
Sylvina - --- / +5
Stallion - --- / +3

FORMER IMPERIAL TEAM
Kasim - Charge 15 / ---
Griffith - --- / +3
Valeria - Charge 13 / +4

GOOD BUDDIES
Marie - Charge 11 / ---
Onil - Charge 9 / +2
Sasnsuke - Charge 5 / +3

HUMPHREY'S TEAM
Humphrey - Charge 17 / ---
Alen - --- / +3
Grenseal - --- / +4

INVULNERABLE DEFENSE
Kwanda - Charge 14 / ---
Eikei - Charge 7 / +3
Gaspar - Charge 14 / +4

KNIGHTS' PARTY
Maximillian - Charge 19 / ---
Sancho - Charge 12 / +7
Qlon - Charge 6 / +4

KOBOLDS
Fu Su Lu - Charge 2 / ---
Kuromimi - Bow 9 / +4
Gon - --- / +7

LEPANT FAMILY
Lepant - Charge 17 / ---
Eileen - --- / +7
Sheena - --- / +2

MAGICIANS
Jeane - Magic 15 / ---
Hellion - Magic 17 / +3
Viki - Magic 13 / +2

MUSICIANS
Kasios - Magic 8 / ---
Melodye - Magic 9 / +3
Window - Magic 11 / +3

NARCISSISTS
Milich - Magic 14 / ---
Vincent - Charge 10 / +1
Esmeralda - Charge 6 / +3

OLD SOLDIERS
Kai - Charge 13 / ---
Liukan - Charge 6 / +5
Fukien - --- / +6

PIRATES
Anji - Charge 11 / ---
Leonardo - Charge 9 / +5
Kanak - Charge 7 / +7

SECRET FACTORY TEAM
Mose - Charge 8 / ---
Ronnie Bell - --- / +2
Sarah - --- / +4

SOLDIER BEAUTIES
Sonya - Magic 13 / ----
Cleo - Bow 14 / +3
Camille - --- / +4

TRICKSTERS
Juppo - Charge 3 / ---
Jabba - Charge 9 / +1
Meg - Magic 13 / +2

VIKTOR'S TEAM
Viktor - Charge 14 / ---
Warren - --- / +3
Taggart - --- / +6

WARRIORS' VILLAGE KIDS
Flik - Charge 11 / ---
Tengaar - --- / +2
Hix - --- / +4

WILD GEESE
Kreutz - Charge 17 / ---
Morgan - Charge 5 - +4
Kirke - Charge 9 / +3

LOL @ Fu Su Lu - he's a worse general than Juppo!

If I can isolate Sonya and Cleo in a later battle I will update their numbers here.
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Re: [Guide] War Battle Guide

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man Konami put so much work into these systems.... nice research wataru14!
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