Kooluk royal family's last name?

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Kooluk royal family's last name?

Postby suiko2fan2 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:28 pm

They're nobles (royals) why doesn't the game ever mention their last name? Emperor Julius, Corselia, Martin, Busk, Ornela should a noble surname or some kind. Anyone know it?
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Re: Kooluk royal family's last name?

Postby Antimatzist » Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:45 am

Why would they need one? Did CHarlemagne have a surname?

Fact is, you don't always need one, even as an emperor.

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Re: Kooluk royal family's last name?

Postby suiko2fan2 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:25 pm

Name one other royal family in the main Suikoverse that didn't have a last name. I just think the writers of tactics were lazy and trying to rush the game.
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Re: Kooluk royal family's last name?

Postby Antimatzist » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:20 am

You never hear the names of Falenas family in the game, you only get it from sourc ebooks, iirc.

There are probably three other royal families in the games? Barbarosa Rugner, the Blights, the En Kuldes. It's not like that's a lot of examples for it.

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Re: Kooluk royal family's last name?

Postby srd_27 » Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:43 am

Different nations could have different cultures, maybe Kooluk's culture simply didn't use any last names.

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Re: Kooluk royal family's last name?

Postby Sasarai10 » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:59 pm

Actually every character in Suikoden has a last name, but it's not mentioned. Even characters like Mina, Antonio and Sansuke have one.

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Re: Kooluk royal family's last name?

Postby Antimatzist » Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:06 pm

Sasarai10 wrote:Actually every character in Suikoden has a last name, but it's not mentioned. Even characters like Mina, Antonio and Sansuke have one.

No, they don't have one.

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Re: Kooluk royal family's last name?

Postby Wolkendrache » Sat Jul 02, 2016 4:51 am

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If there’s no official information about the use of family names, then each of you is right.

You can’t deny the tendency that people of a high social rank are referred to with their family names. If I ask myself why Freed has one while Gorudo doesn’t, then my imagination tells me that Freed inherited the name from a more merited ancestor while Gorudo is the first from his family to reach such a high rank. Same with the Highland generals. Moreover, I’m thinking that Sonya’s mother was only referred to as Kilauea in her lifetime. She became one of the five great generals, and her daughter inherited that position. Only since then Kilauea is posthumously referred to as Shulen, because then this “noble” family has been created. Likewise, had Highland won the war, then Culgan’s and Seed’s descendants would perhaps be referred to additionally using their last names. In the Suikoden world it seems family names are only worth mentioning if they tell a story, so I actually agree to Sasarai10’s idea. (I do not make claims, it’s just my imagination! No need to tell me I’m wrong unless something is contrary to official information.)

IMO, the question why the Kooluk royals are not referred to using a family name is absolutely legitimate. It is indeed one of few exceptions in the Suikoden universe we know so far. Gaien/Obel and Scarlet Moon do use family names; Kooluk is located somewhat between these but apparently doesn’t. I’m confused by the fact that we didn’t meet a single Matilda Knight with a surname while Ridley has one. Perhaps some regions indeed don’t use surnames at all. IMO this tradition is most compatible with monarchic/aristocratic systems, so I actually don’t expect the Toran Republic or the ninja, elves, kobolds etc. to use it, but Matilda and Kooluk… why not? But in the end I don’t care too much, Tactics has an underwhelming story anyway, so I’m focused on gameplay mainly. Returning characters and runes were enough to satisfy me content-wise.
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Re: Kooluk royal family's last name?

Postby Raww Le Klueze » Sat Jul 02, 2016 5:42 am

Sasarai10 wrote:Actually every character in Suikoden has a last name, but it's not mentioned. Even characters like Mina, Antonio and Sansuke have one.

That's simply not true. The official information states clearly that last names are a rarity reserved for nobles and people of great distinction. The vast majority of people in Suikoden's world have no last name. The exact system for gaining a last name varies by country but it is not particulary easy in any known nation and most people who don't have one by birth will never get one.

Freed has a last name by birth because someone of his ancestors did something to deserve it.
Humphrey was given his for his military service.
Percival got his when he was knighted.

On the flip side, plenty of commoners rise to high positions without gaining a last name, like Annabelle who was the leader of the City-States yet not granted a last name, and Lepant despite becoming the president of the Toran Republic did not get a last name.

It's even mentioned in-game in Suikogaiden how rare it is for Nash to have a last name that he has to lie about it to alleviate suspicion.

As for the topic at hand, if you've named yourself Emperor already you have all the authority you need to get a last name and it's unlikely that this family would not have one but much like the weird case of the name of the Governor of El-Eal it's never been revealed.
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Re: Kooluk royal family's last name?

Postby sticky-runes » Sat Jul 02, 2016 6:12 am

I look at it this way: In Tactics, we learn that Kooluk had different factions. The Imperial faction, who are the ruling family including the Emperor, Corselia, Ornela and Busk, and the Patriarchal faction, who are the higher up citizens that don't have royal blood, including Iskus and Roget. with the use of these factions, it might have become a bit confusing to throw royal surnames into the mix, so the developers might have thought it best not to come up with a royal family surname. It would have been nice to know which name connects Corselia to her aunt and uncle and other ancestors, but it wasn't entirely necessary, and doesn't make a huge impact on the gameplay. We have the two classes conflicting with each other, and that seems enough. Throwing names around might cause some players to get bored and confused.


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