Stat Growth Examination

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Re: Stat Growth Examination

Postby Wolkendrache » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:56 pm

You can find the projected Lv50 stats on the "rates" page of the document. That page can also be used to calculate the projected Lv30 stats.
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Re: Stat Growth Examination

Postby KFCrispy » Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:41 pm

ooh the japanese guide does have stat growth rates. will need help translating the words and then i'll compile it into a spreadsheet.
i think it also provides an expected Level 40 stats for everyone too

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the areas below the stat growths are weapon stats and then skills, right?

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Re: Stat Growth Examination

Postby KFCrispy » Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:54 pm

so far i have this:
HP | PDF | MOV
STR | MDF | JMP
SKL | SPD | can ride Kangacorn
MAG | LUC | can ride Owl
EVA | atk range | ???

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Re: Stat Growth Examination

Postby Antimatzist » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:41 am

The last one might be killable? Just compare it with Andarc and other characters.

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Re: Stat Growth Examination

Postby Wolkendrache » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:19 am

The symbols in the skills section tell you which skills are fixed or activated by default or have high costs etc, I guess (I have no idea what “late development” regarding skills means). To the right of the skills is a list of good will partners, in this case HeroIV, Keneth, Tal, Jewel and Paula; then the relationship starting level.

The page you posted last shows the element, initial runes and weapon type; then how to recruit the character; then some exemplary (not average!) Lv40 stats; then initial equipment. Btw, the guide says Snowe has Str A and PDf B, but our examination clearly shows that it’s B and C; even the guide’s exemplary numbers suggest that we’re right (PDf and Eva are identical). Examples for Str A: Hervey, Kyril, Tal, etc. Snowe’s Str rank is equal to Akaghi, Millay, Ornela, etc. Snowe’s PDf is average like for most characters; B would be Sigurd who has a higher growth rate. Oh, and Skl should be A instead of S. The rest is identical to our examination. Maybe they have different definitions for Str, PDf and Skl for whatever reasons; if not, they’re wrong because all these numbers from all our databases contradict (while the rest matches).
Does the guide show growth rate numbers? Or average numbers?

Antimatzist wrote:The last one might be killable? Just compare it with Andarc and other characters.

Idk, it literally means “personality/nature: normal/usual”. In case you want to google it: 性格 普通
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Re: Stat Growth Examination

Postby KFCrispy » Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:32 am

it's not killable or optional.. looked into those possibilities already. most characters have the same value. if this has gameplay value perhaps the "hot" personalities will get berserked sooner from getting hit than the "cool" types.

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Re: Stat Growth Examination

Postby Antimatzist » Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:53 am

Ah yeah, I remember that. I think I asked it at the Gensopedia, but can't find the answer. I think it's also got a very small gameplay effect.
http://gensopedia.com/wiki/Template_tal ... _CharStats

"It's the same thing as the Anger field which I removed. Basically the chances of them getting "fired up" by seeing their Good Will partners get hurt."

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Re: Stat Growth Examination

Postby KFCrispy » Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:02 am

cool that makes it interesting!

i can probably deduce which character has which personality. there only seems to be 2 or 3 different values! will try to compile it today or so

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Re: Stat Growth Examination

Postby KFCrispy » Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:26 pm

omg what a pain! here's almost everything!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/allynx14s28ei ... .xlsx?dl=0

The book also lists Good Will levels next to the characters but I'll be damned if I'm going to try to translate every name that's listed. Most relationships are '0' and a few are 3, and even less are 5. The book explains that the number of squares the Good Will partners can help each other increases... up to 3 units away relationship level 5.

The Good Will relationships are not the same score between a pair of characters. For instance, Karl surprisingly has a 5 for Corselia and 3 for Kyril, but Corselia has a 0 for all her Good Will partners, and Kyril a 0 for all of his. I'm not even sure Karl is on their lists, because Kyril only has 4 Good Will partners (Andarc, Seneca, Lazlo, Kika... Corselia?? huh...)

Also, there are more personalities than I thought.. will take pictures of the ones i can't read since I can't recognize the characters.

It didn't give level 40 stats for the Mercenaries and also didn't list Lalacle's personality for whatever reason.

It also gave a red or blue number for certain characters. It seems like the blue is the higher growth (or late growth) and red would less or earlier growth. Let's compare this to Wolkendrache's spreadsheet! But i need a break...

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Re: Stat Growth Examination

Postby Wolkendrache » Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:45 am

Wonderful! Examination sheet in the OP updated!

Updates thanks to information from official guide:
- Rank C adjusted! What I had categorized as rank C is actually 2 separate ranks (C+B) that are very similar in numbers (in average only 3 points difference at Lv50). So similar that often times rank C characters have a higher value than rank B characters, even at Lv50. Even the difference between regular SS result and late growth SS is bigger (5 points)! I added rank B, and my previous B, A and S are thus renamed into A, S and SS (there were no differences to the guide).
- Complemented late progressions! Kyril has a unique late progression in Str and Skl that I hadn’t realized. It’s slighter than the late progression of others. Kyril will always get either 1 or 2, but the chance of getting a 2 is gradually increased.
- Complemented early progressions! Trishtan has the same early progression as Rene and Rita rather than an initial bonus. That’s hard to find out because Trishtan always joins at Lv8. The same could be true for Rachel’s HP, but unfortunately she’s an individual case and I’ve never managed to recruit her earlier than Lv7. So her early growth values until Lv7 is just a calculation from the Lv50 results of all the databases. Finally, Kate (Spd) and Karl (Str) have an early progression that is even harder to spot because they join relatively late.
-> I adjusted all the respective calculations and numbers.

@KFCrispy: Sorry about repeating my question, but doesn’t the guide give numbers like growth rates and average numbers? Only rank classification and Lv40 exemplary Lv40 values?

Moreover, could you re-check your sheet or the guide for the following:
- Lalacle’s and Snowe’s HP are marked as A, but they end up similar to rank S characters like Akaghi and Dario. They should have S, right?
- Rachel’s HP is marked as B, but she ends up like rank C characters.
- Kyril’s Str + Skl is marked as A, but it should be S. Like in the above cases, it has nothing to do with late or early development, since Nalleo and Co are marked correctly. Btw, you can use all those Lv50 databases for checking.

Again: If you need help, just make pictures; names are easy to translate to me.
無心 means insentient (Jeane’s personality), so I guess she will never get furious or so.
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Re: Stat Growth Examination

Postby KFCrispy » Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:48 pm

i'll try to remember to look at this today..

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Re: Stat Growth Examination

Postby KFCrispy » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:42 pm

1. I've confirmed Lalacle HP is a blue A.. let's just say A+. Snowe is the same, A+
2. Rachel has a red B in HP, or B-.
3. Kyril's STR and SKL are both blue A (A+)

this is the most detail provided on stats that i've seen... it's not much at all-- https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/292 ... .26.33.jpg
"strong" personality (Andarc): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/292 ... .27.28.jpg
Corselia type personality (cool?): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/292 ... .27.59.jpg
Seneca type personality ('y'): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/292 ... .28.21.jpg
Axel type personality ('x'): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/292 ... .29.16.jpg
Reinbach type personality ('z'): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/292 ... .42.08.jpg

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Re: Stat Growth Examination

Postby Wolkendrache » Fri Aug 14, 2015 5:41 am

KFCrispy wrote:1. I've confirmed Lalacle HP is a blue A.. let's just say A+. Snowe is the same, A+
2. Rachel has a red B in HP, or B-.
3. Kyril's STR and SKL are both blue A (A+)

Ok, now compare it to the databases we’ve collected so far… what I’m arguing is that the official guide is obviously wrong about these!

KFCrispy wrote:this is the most detail provided on stats that i've seen... it's not much at all-- https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/292 ... .26.33.jpg
"strong" personality (Andarc): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/292 ... .27.28.jpg
Corselia type personality (cool?): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/292 ... .27.59.jpg
Seneca type personality ('y'): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/292 ... .28.21.jpg
Axel type personality ('x'): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/292 ... .29.16.jpg
Reinbach type personality ('z'): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/292 ... .42.08.jpg

Similar to growth rates, personalities are classified into 8 sections as well
Insentient: can’t be infuriated
Violent: easily infuriated
Strong: easily infuriated, hard to cool down
Passionate: easily infuriated, easily cooled down
Normal: normally
Fainthearted: Hard to infuriate, hard to cool down
Prudent: Hard to infuriate, easily cooled down
Calm: Hard to infuriate
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Re: Stat Growth Examination

Postby Antimatzist » Sun Sep 20, 2015 2:06 pm

Wolkendrache, do you know how enemy stats fit with these ranks?

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Re: Stat Growth Examination

Postby Wolkendrache » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:50 pm

Interesting question. I’ve made a brief check running through the Obel Ruins at Lv50 and looking at the stats of all Skeleton Bows. I’ve stumbled on 16 of them in total, and they didn’t increase in common stats (Str, PDf, Skl, MDf, Mag, Spd, Eva, Luc, I forgot to check HP) throughout the levels.

Here are the results:
Str
Range: 51-59 Average: 54,5 Rank: C or B
PDf
Range: 52-59 Average: 56,4 Rank: B
Skl
Range: 51-55 Average: 53,4 Rank: C
MDf
Range: 59-75 Average: 66,7 Rank: A
Mag
Range: 52-58 Average: 55,1 Rank: C or B
Spd
Range: 52-56 Average: 53,4 Rank: C
Eva
Range: 53-63 Average: 56,4 Rank: B
Luc
Range: 35-42 Average: 39,4 Rank: D

I determined the ranks by comparing the numbers with the character averages:
SS: 87,76
S: 79,01
A: 67,04
B: 55,90
C: 52,96
D: 40,22
E: 31,13
F: 22,09

As you can see, it’s very similar. I think it’s safe to say that ranks and their respective numbers apply to enemies as well. You’re all welcome to examine more enemies and determine their stat ranks.

BTW, you all know that the same kind of enemy gets stronger when you meet it deeper in the ruins. Here is why (still about Skeleton Bow):

Obel 1 and 2
Weapon Power: 108
Equipment: none
Skills: Sniper [S], Bull’s Eye [B], Guard [D]
Runes: none

Obel 3 (and maybe 4, but I didn’t meet any Bows on 4)
Weapon Power: 178
Equipment: Chain Mail [+11 Def]
Skills: Sniper [S], Bull’s Eye [A], Guard [A], Hidden Power [C]
Runes: Drain [right hand]

Obel 5
Weapon Power: 203
Equipment: Gold Chain Mail + Gold Bracelet [+32 Def]
Skills: Sniper [S], Bull’s Eye [S], Guard [S], Critical Hit [S], Hidden Power [S]
Runes: Drain [right hand], Killer [left hand]

(I've met 2 Bows in the Mother Earth Chamber: One of them was similar to those from Obel 3, the other one similar to those from Obel 5)

That’s how they get stronger, it’s not the common stats.
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