[Guide] Armor Compatibility

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Re: [Guide] Armor Compatibility

Postby Celes » Mon Jan 19, 2015 2:14 pm

Please edit the first post when uploading a new version and remove the attachment from your fourth post, so others won't get confused about multiple files.

Great contribution!

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Re: [Guide] Armor Compatibility

Postby Enigma » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:44 pm

Sorry about that. I removed the file from the later post and updated the original post with the latest file.

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Re: [Guide] Armor Compatibility

Postby highwind44029 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:18 am

Nice job.

Are there really only 5 characters that use shields? Damn... I only use Nalleo out of those. xD

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Re: [Guide] Armor Compatibility

Postby Enigma » Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:26 am

Yep, only 5 characters can use shields, and one of them is a nameless faceless mercenary. Quite different from Suikoden I, when even Liukan could equip a shield despite limping around with a cane.

Nalleo and Millay are my favorite shield users in this game by far.

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Re: [Guide] Armor Compatibility

Postby Antimatzist » Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:30 pm

highwind44029 wrote:Nice job.

Are there really only 5 characters that use shields? Damn... I only use Nalleo out of those. xD

In normal Suikoden games, very few people use shields:

Suikoden: 19/78 ~ 24%
Suikoden II: 12/72 ~16%
Suikoden III: Only 3 characters have the Shield skill, I guess that's all?


Mh, can't find info on the other titles. Suikoden V doesn't even have shields! Ok, 5/60 is really few, but as you see, Shields are never that common. Also, there only about 5 different types of shields for each game, so there's not really that much diversity.

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Re: [Guide] Armor Compatibility

Postby Wolkendrache » Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:51 pm

Nalleo and Millay are awesome because of their speed. The only good shields are Rusty Cog and Wing Shield. Is it true that Viking Shields give Str+5?
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Re: [Guide] Armor Compatibility

Postby Enigma » Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:55 pm

6 characters can equip shields in III.

There are 11 different shields in Tactics.

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Re: [Guide] Armor Compatibility

Postby Enigma » Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:53 pm

Yes, the Viking Shield does give a +5 boost to strength. It's almost as good as the Rusty Cog, and it's not a unique item.

I finally found the sell price for the Cape of Darkness (thanks gildedtalon). I have updated the file again.

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Re: [Guide] Armor Compatibility

Postby highwind44029 » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:54 am

Antimatzist wrote:
highwind44029 wrote:Nice job.

Are there really only 5 characters that use shields? Damn... I only use Nalleo out of those. xD

In normal Suikoden games, very few people use shields:

Suikoden: 19/78 ~ 24%
Suikoden II: 12/72 ~16%
Suikoden III: Only 3 characters have the Shield skill, I guess that's all?


Mh, can't find info on the other titles. Suikoden V doesn't even have shields! Ok, 5/60 is really few, but as you see, Shields are never that common. Also, there only about 5 different types of shields for each game, so there's not really that much diversity.

The reason I was rather surprised was because with the amount of 1H sword users in S4, it had a lot of shield-users that didn't stay that way in Tactics.

Edit: According to Enigma's same list for S4, the list of shield-users are as follows:
Ameria
Charlemagne
Dario
Gretchen
Helmut
Hervey
Jeremy
Jewel
Keneth
Millay
Paula
Reinbach III
Snowe
Tal
Trishtan
Ugetsu


Out of those 16, only 3 kept their shields. A minor irking inconsistency, but ah well...

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Re: [Guide] Armor Compatibility

Postby Sasarai10 » Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:29 am

A little bit off topic, but how is it possible for Rita to wear Heavy Armor? It's very weird for a tiny girl like her.

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Re: [Guide] Armor Compatibility

Postby Enigma » Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:45 am

Ha, I'm not sure, but she definitely can. It is funny to think about her wearing a full suit of heavy armor while dragging around that huge hammer with both hands. I still think that's more believable than Liukan in the first game equipping a shield while needing a cane to walk.

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Re: [Guide] Armor Compatibility

Postby Sasarai10 » Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:49 am

Enigma wrote:Ha, I'm not sure, but she definitely can. It is funny to think about her wearing a full suit of heavy armor while dragging around that huge hammer with both hands. I still think that's more believable than Liukan in the first game equipping a shield while needing a cane to walk.


First game had many flaws. Like characters who were away for a mission were disappearing from Sod Tablet...but let's cut it some slack since it was the first.

Anyway yeah, it's pretty impressive. But that hammer looks like a toy hammer to me so it's pretty light. Oh and Mizuki can lift monsters 20 times bigger than her and toss them down when she's using her Shrike Rune. Pretty crazy isn't it? :lol:

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Re: [Guide] Armor Compatibility

Postby wataru14 » Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:38 pm

Enigma wrote:I still think that's more believable than Liukan in the first game equipping a shield while needing a cane to walk.


Or Lorelai using a bow and a shield.

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Re: [Guide] Armor Compatibility

Postby Wolkendrache » Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:49 pm

You can sharpen Fukien's drumsticks to the max and they will still sound blunt. *klack* *klack* *klack* *klack* *klack* *klack*
Perhaps Mace thought these were thrust weapons, so Fukien is just using them wrong. This would explain why he's dealing approximately negative 150 damage...
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