Sun, Dawn, Dusk, Night.

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Sun, Dawn, Dusk, Night.

Postby Yuki Tenkai » Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:31 am

Is there any way that the Dusk rune could be part of the Night rune, and the Dawn rune could be part of the Sun rune? I wanted to collect all speculations of these runes in one place, rather than looking all over for for pieces of info. Also, is the Night rune going to be in this game? I can't imagine why Konami would make a new rune (or several, in fact) that seem like they have to do with the Night rune, when they don't. There HAS to be a connection!
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Postby demon eye » Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:15 pm

Those True Runes (Sun, Dusk, and Dawn) are said to be 3 new True Runes to be introduced to the series. Also, the Dusk and Dawn True Runes are related to the Sun Rune and not the Night Rune. This has been stated several times I believe. So, they aren't making new True Runes related to one that already exist, but even if it was true I wouldn't see a problem with that because they did it before. Blue Moon Rune is directly related to the Night Rune.

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Postby Lemmy Claypool » Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:56 pm

demon eye wrote:Also, the Dusk and Dawn True Runes are related to the Sun Rune and not the Night Rune. This has been stated several times I believe.

Do you have a source for that? It's just I'm pretty sure that's just speculation and assumption on our (the fans') part.

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Postby demon eye » Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:42 pm

Yes, I do have a source:

From Sars @ suikox.com:

In the game, the Rune of Dawn and Rune of Dusk are described as being the "support" for the Sun Rune, and that they are subservient to its power. These two runes may not be True Runes in that case, but simply very powerful incarnations (much like the Darkness Rune).

Source: Gensui Shinsho


Gensui Shinsho's sources are said to be incredibly credible by Sars himslef. Please correct me if I have misquoted anywhere.

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Postby Lemmy Claypool » Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:53 pm

Ah yes, I remember reading about that myself, just completely forgot. Sorry about that, my mistake. >_<

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Postby demon eye » Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:59 pm

No problemo

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Postby Yuki Tenkai » Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:31 pm

Are the Sun rune and Night rune connected somehow?
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Postby Jowy Atreides » Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:31 pm

As of right now, we simply aren't sure.

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Postby Yuki Tenkai » Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:16 pm

I think it should be, and it would make sense.
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Postby demon eye » Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:01 pm

Well, it's possible, but then again the Night Rune is already directly connected to two other True Runes (Gate Rune and Blue Moon Rune) based on its powers over the creatures of the night which include vampires and monsters from the World of Endless Nights which the Gate Rune summons monsters from. So, who knows? It certainly seems plausible and possible. I would like that very much actually. I had a tree actually drawn for that exact purpose and it goes like this:

Dawn-->Sun-->Dusk-->Night

I think a connection is most certainly possible.

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Postby MatildaWhiteKnightLeader » Mon Nov 07, 2005 1:23 am

Cause the Sun controls when dawn and dusk of the day are.
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Postby LGM » Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:02 am

Wouldn't the opposite to the sun rune be the moon rune anyway?

The night rune would be opposed by a day rune logically.
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Postby Yuki Tenkai » Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:00 am

It could be very possible that the dawn and dusk runes are actually two halves of a rune called "The Day Rune", which would oppose the Night rune, obviously. then the Sun rune would oppose the Blue Moon rune. But, Konami only confirmed three new runes, so that theory would be out the window for THIS game, but it could be a plot for future games.
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Postby Wraith » Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:27 pm

OMG I have alot of catching up to do :shock:

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Postby MatildaWhiteKnightLeader » Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:31 pm

don't worry Wraith, we're talking about a game that isn't going to come out for another ohhh 4 months..
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