Suikoden Violence

Jowy Atreides · Post by **Jowy Atreides** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:14 pm

Outlaws of the Marsh is very graphic, to the point of ridiculousness. There's much talk of bashing skulls in half, people going on village-wide killing sprees, "Spirit Breaking," which is a 100-lash ritual to, you guessed it, break the spirit of the future inmate, and so on. There's also at least one instance of a man ripping a woman's rib cage open while she's still alive with his bare hands, which no violent book can go without.

It'd be an interesting change of pace, that's for sure.

Darian · Post by **Darian** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:10 am

I'm very tired so here's a fair warning: this post is going to be a little all-over-the-place.

I don't necessarily think that we need more straight-up violence (though I also agree that a lack of it can call more attention to itself than the presence would) or that the series needs more "evil" villains.

Don't get me wrong, though, if they are going to keep doing "good guys vs. bad guys" i'd like the bad guys to be a little more frightening (luca) and a little less caricature-ish V spoiler removed. What I'd really like to see, though, is a story where the lines between the good guys and the bad guys are a little more blurred and more political in nature (what I hated about SIII was that the plot basically revolved around the good guys literally saving the world, with your army fighting monsters, skeletons, etc.[not that I'm suggesting they should drop the concept of fighting for something greater than politics--it just shouldn't steal the show, is all]). SII did this well after Luca went down and Jowy took charge; both leaders had very good reasons for wanting to fight a war and neither one could have been called a villain.

I like the idea someone mentioned of seeing the horrors of war as well as the glory. Once again, we got to see this in SII, but even then it was underdeveloped. They showed the glory when it came to your army and they showed the horror when it came to Highland's army (and a little honor with Seed and Culgan). Your army shouldn't be made up of saints (Suikoden V removed mercenaries -- they do profit off war and death, afterall, however likeable the characters may have been -- Spoiler removed).

aaaagh... sorry if that's a mess to read -- sleeeeeep now....

Crowley's_Apprentice · Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:24 pm

well maybe konami is trying to blurr the distinction between good and bad guys. Suikoden V reference removed

Darian · Post by **Darian** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:07 pm

Crowley's_Apprentice wrote:well maybe konami is trying to blurr the distinction between good and bad guys. like s5, .

All Suikoden V spoilers removed

SII did it well (once Luca went down, anyway).

Feldoon · Post by **Feldoon** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:03 am

Guys, please.

Darian, Crowley; This isn't the place for Suikoden V talk.

I managed to catch V and "near the end" or something. I still haven't looked at your posts much, but that lot just screamed spoilers.

Bare in mind it's not out in the UK yet.

Post by **Oppenheimer** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:57 am

I edited out all the spoilers so you're free to read through their comments (what's left anyway) now Feldoon.

For others, DO NOT MENTION SUIKODEN V OUTSIDE IT'S THREAD the spoiler ban is still on. We've mentioned this countless times. If it happens again I'm going to have to move this thread and then those who are avoiding spoilers won't even be able to read it.

Darian · Post by **Darian** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:34 pm

Sorry; since the beginning of the thread there has been no shortage of SV spoilers and not one warning from anybody (mod or otherwise), so I figured it was okay.

Won't happen again.

RVallant · Post by **RVallant** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:50 pm

lol I don't even know what the topic is about now...

But anyway I agree there needs to be more violence, evilness and generally more blurred lines on the actual political area.

What I'd kill to see is perhaps a hero being in the leader-role from the very start in a high-pressure political and war scenario and being "disposed" of because he steps in to prevent his own army/country from pillaging/looting/raping/murdering/taking little kiddies to the supermarket.

That would really be unique and different and it certainly would empathise that the best intentions don't always work (refer: Granmeyer) end of the day though, this probably won't happen but it won't hurt to dream about it.

Westley · Post by **Westley** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:39 am

Suikoden 2 had a very good story and was told very well. The treachery, the might of the enemy, it was almost like watching a cartoon with a solid plot, you want to know what's going to happen next. Yes, luca blight's violent and ruthless role in the game is just an example of keeping the story alive & engrossing. I agree that much of this is absent in 4 and 5. They are just...directed differently and personally I feel it makes the story-telling somewhat inferior.

WaterMoon · Post by **WaterMoon** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:10 am

Tsubaki wrote:I also think there should be less children in suikoden games because maybe thats whats holding it back, knowone wants to see a bunch of children in an army well wierd people mite for wierd reasons, but if the characters were more grown up maybe more would die because they cant just kill a bunch of kids.....well they could....

I think that was the down side to suikoden 3 Suikoden V removed

Children can and have fought in many wars, the most famous of which being the Children's Crusade. Yes, it was one of the Crusades (not just a war with the name), and the church decided that children were innocent and pure, thus God would protect them, so sent them off to fight to regain the Holy Land. It didn't go so well. And let's face it, every main character we've had (i.e. Tenkai for 1, 2, 4, and 5, as well as Chris, Hugo, and Geddoe in 3) with the exceptions of Geddoe and Chris has been a kid by US standards. Most have been only about 14 or 15. Chris was 21, and Geddoe as we know is about 112.

Siel Avadon · Post by **Siel Avadon** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:39 am

As someone said its the Suikoden Lore, We got lore in our world as well.

In Scandinavia one would meet nymphs,giants and trolls...perhaps a a dark elf or two.

In Egypt Sfinxes and so on. In the south Amerixa anything from the Indian lore and north america perhaps erh the Jersey Devil (seen that one on discovery)

Also in former ages, you was considered a man by 14,15 perhaps and was to be able to bring income to your family if I am not wrong. What is known as child soldiers today I dont think was seen as that before.

nephlabobo · Post by **nephlabobo** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:21 pm

Tsubaki wrote:Does anyone else agree with me suikoden needs more violence. I think the most violent one was suikoden 2 and that is also the best one we need more savageness and more deaths. Im not crazy or anything its just it is a war after all.

Why? Why is it important? This isn't Silent Hill or Onimusha.....it's an RPG.
There doesn't need to be heads flying everywhere.

Rezard · Post by **Rezard** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:05 pm

Because it is more realistic and the game is about the horrors of war, if we really see it, the game gets extra drama, this is good and fits with Suikoden.

It also makes the game more mature, anybody can die, there is no beatiful world of good guys beat bad guys. It is a war, innocent people die. The consequences of mistakes are terrible. Again it gives a feeling of extra drama.

nephlabobo · Post by **nephlabobo** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:31 pm

I don't play Suikoden for realism.

If I want to play a game about the horrors of war, I'll play Medal Of Honour.

Suikoden is an RPG.

Blood does not make things more dramatic.

By that definition, Mortal Kombat is the most dramatic game ever made.

Rezard · Post by **Rezard** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:01 am

Medal of honor isn't about the horrors of war, it's about a guy with a gun on a killing spree.

It doesn't have to involve blood, it has to be violent only.

It gets hard to shock the audience without any violence. Could you do a movie like Schindler's List without Violence?

It is not the violence alone that create drama, it is the suffering it causes. Also, it is not free violence we want, it is violence in a given context, which could inspire feelings on the player, such as anger, hatred against a villain, revolt, etc.

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