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Re: Female Tenkai

Postby Neclord X » Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:36 am

AlOnZo wrote:The Pokemon model would be the way to go, give people the choice. Adding in some extra dialogue and events depending on gender would be nice.


That's indeed the best solution.

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Re: Female Tenkai

Postby ninjaluc79 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:07 am

And then what, making the male hero stronger and more physical-oriented but slower and the female hero faster and more magic-oriented but slower? With several exceptions in Suikoden (we have seen the reverse of this trope, as well), this seems to be the trend for a lot of RPGs.
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Re: Female Tenkai

Postby Hirathien » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:08 am

They can do it simple. Just let them mention the Tenkai based on what he/she is. The leader of the rebel army or what it will be. They can also make comments on "You remind me of your father" but just keep the gender stuff away.

Cheap shortcuts but it's getting used already so.

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Re: Female Tenkai

Postby killerslime » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:33 am

Punkaiser wrote:It's fine to be flat since the cuteness term is there for young girls but i think it'd a total turn off when it happens to a mature woman, well to be exact, Kika, S4 describes her as a beautiful and attractive woman, however i don't see the same thing, there's no need for a huge rack but at least it should make her appealing enough as a woman, eventually her physic appearance is too manly.


I think that has a lot to do with her voice actor. Kika's a total babe but when she opens her mouth she does sound like a bit of a bloke.

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Re: Female Tenkai

Postby EstrangedIX » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:42 am

Kika's androgyny makes her more appealing to some, considering how many female characters are made to fit stereotypes. I don't think it would be bad for a female Tenkai to be like that. The characteristics that Tenkais have already displayed would be fine for either gender. Just change the pronouns and graphics and you'd have a Tenkai that was a little more like Kika and less like a stereotype.
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Re: Female Tenkai

Postby Punkaiser » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:49 pm

Of course people have different evaluation about attractiveness but overall , i think kika has much less fans compared to Jeanne/Viki or even Millay.

Looks like she has just A or B cup lol. The only womanly trait i can track from her is the curve from the hip and her feminine eyes, without theses points, it's highly possible to mistake her for a slender build dude anytime.

And certainly, a female teenager tenkai should work with kika style, since they don't have to care much about romance nor gender in suikoverse at that age.

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Re: Female Tenkai

Postby ninjaluc79 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:20 am

So we're looking for twenty-something Tenkais instead of the usual teenagers, right?

@Kika If anything, she reminds of Faris Schwerze Highwind Tycoon from FFV.
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Re: Female Tenkai

Postby Punkaiser » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:32 am

I never managed to imagine how Faris really looks like with that kind of art.

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Re: Female Tenkai

Postby EstrangedIX » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:47 pm

The last thing anyone should be concerned about in the quality of a character is breast size. And I'm not referring to attractiveness really, but the fact that making the main character female shouldn't mean bundling her up in girly stereotypes. The male Tenkais haven't suffered the male version of that, so there's no reason to do that to a female character either.

I wouldn't want to see a Jeane, Viki or Millay as Tenkai. I like them, but they're different Stars for a reason. Kika is as well, and I'm not saying we need a Kika clone as a Tenkai either. Just that her androgyny is much closer to what is needed in one than the stereotypical qualities of the others.
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Re: Female Tenkai

Postby Punkaiser » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:43 am

lol, i never said i want to see a bombshell like jeanne as tenkai star. Just hoping if there will ever be an female adult as tenkai, she wouldn't be modelled from kika. And it's absolutely fine with any style if the female protagonist is a teenager acting tomboyish, flirtatious, cold or whatever because everything is well accepted or easily forgiven for a young girl.

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Re: Female Tenkai

Postby Antimatzist » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:51 am

Well, most Tenkais were more or less described as cute and some women flirt with them, but they react shy.. I guess a female Tenkai would also be a, euh, "hidden beauty" or something. Even though I would find it strange if some old guys would flirt with a 15 year old girl :D

For an older, female Tenkai, why not modelher after Kika? But I guess a Chris (in civil outfit) would be cooler.

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Re: Female Tenkai

Postby ninjaluc79 » Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:02 am

I could see why would we want a Chris clone for a Tenkai.
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Re: Female Tenkai

Postby EstrangedIX » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:20 pm

I think either Kika or Chris would be fine as a model for an adult female Tenkai. With Chris being an option for FC, we were halfway there with her already.
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Re: Female Tenkai

Postby ninjaluc79 » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:30 pm

In case you haven't noticed (but I'm pretty sure you have already), most Suikoden heroes don't wield bladed weapons or at least aren't swordsmen. Only Lazlo can be a considered as the swordsman among the heroes, and he uses a dual-wield style at that. Hugo does wield a bladed weapon, but it's more of a melee-type dagger than a sword.

If we model an adult female Tenkai after Kika or Chris, I don't see any reason why would a Tenkai not wield a sword. For a younger Tenkai like the usual, though, the reason why I like Suikoden so much is that it doesn't use too many RPG stereotypes and yet is just as popular (if not more popular) as the likes of Final Fantasy. And so I don't see a problem with non-swordsman Tenkais as well.

That said, in keeping the Suikoden tradition of mage knight heroes (all of them (except Kyril, if you even consider him as one) actually, but Riou and Frey stand out as healer types; I can count with my fingers how many games have a healer protagonist, maybe Terra and Yuna from FFVI and FFX respectively), of course the featured True Rune shall be spell-type, though we have yet to see a passive-type TR like the Sovereign Rune (semi-active, as it also transforms the wielder into a Golden Hydra at the cost of the rune's Anti-Magic property).

So, for a female Tenkai, which TR type would you prefer: offensive (Soul Eater, True Fire, Punishment), healing (Bright Shield, Dawn), or passive (Sovereign)?
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Re: Female Tenkai

Postby Antimatzist » Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:39 am

Ryu from BoF III is also a healer type (even though I don't like to use him that way, he should transform in a dragon. Still, he's got the best healing spells). I think some Dragon Quest protagonists also are healer-types. Also, I wouldn't call Suikoden just as popular as FF....

I think the surrounding of the Tenkai should decide his weapon, not that he is a Tenkai. If he'd be a knight in an army, he'd use the standard weapon of that army - most of the time a sword, maybe a spear or lance. It would be odd if the Tenkai was the only one using a different weapon (Razro also uses a sword as long as he is a Knight of Razril).

About a TR - I don't really care. I like the style of mage-warrior hybrids that has been used in the past, as that makes them quite versatile imo. They should keep that. And the TR should just fit the story and make sense.


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