I don't get the choice to recruit Helmut

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Re: I don't get the choice to recruit Helmut

Postby KFCrispy » Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:13 am

since many of us have not experienced these "can't recruit Helmut/Snowe" scenarios, it may just be due to skipping scenes... hard to confirm right now :/

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Re: I don't get the choice to recruit Helmut

Postby Pen » Tue Aug 04, 2015 4:39 pm

Could be a glitch, no?

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Re: I don't get the choice to recruit Helmut

Postby Antimatzist » Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:08 am

One had to take notes when playing. Scenes I cna think of that play a role:

- the bandits in Razril in the beginning of the game
- the trade ship in Obel with the mermaids

Maybe some dialogue options. These all add +1 on your Punishment counter when you cose the wrong option. Other stuff will add +1 Atonement (or -1 Punishment, whatever) and you then can recruit Helmut and Snowe.

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Re: I don't get the choice to recruit Helmut

Postby Pen » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:04 pm

A similar situation happened to me, and had nothing(apparently) to do with the whole Atonement vs Forgiviness.

Last time I played, on retaking Obel, there are two battles: One against Colton as normal, and one against the empty ships. Between the battles, there is a choice for "wait" and get the Pirate King Bracers.

The thing is: On my gameplay, I wasn't given a choice. I was launched directly on the second battle, and lost the Pirate King Bracers. I reload the save, and the same thing happened. I decided to do more sidequests, and returned to that point, and this time, I was given a choice.

That's why MAYBE is a bug related to RNG, because I don't remember doing nothing special to allow me to have a choice again, because the Sidequests I did were all Rene related, and nothing to recruiting or the plot.

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Re: I don't get the choice to recruit Helmut

Postby gildedtalon » Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:57 pm

^That also happens to me a lot of times, not given a choice to wait and skips directly to second battle
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Re: I don't get the choice to recruit Helmut

Postby Sasarai10 » Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:48 pm

Maybe it differs from version to version?

I'm 100% sure i've recruited Helmut without doing any confessions before,as @sticky-runes said as well.

I think he has PAL version as well,so there you have it.

Maybe it happens only in NTSC.

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Re: I don't get the choice to recruit Helmut

Postby Antimatzist » Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:58 pm

Sasarai10 wrote:Maybe it differs from version to version?

I'm 100% sure i've recruited Helmut without doing any confessions before,as @sticky-runes said as well.

I think he has PAL version as well,so there you have it.

Maybe it happens only in NTSC.

But it depends on your previous choices, probably. I only play the PAL version and also once didn' get the choice.

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Re: I don't get the choice to recruit Helmut

Postby Sasarai10 » Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:46 am

Antimatzist wrote:But it depends on your previous choices, probably. I only play the PAL version and also once didn' get the choice.


Really? Which choices exactly?

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Re: I don't get the choice to recruit Helmut

Postby Antimatzist » Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:35 pm

I don't know. My guesses:

- Wether you shoot the trading ship with the mermaid or not
- maybe the pirates in the beginning?
- maybe petting the cat in the beginning?
- maybe not forgiving snowe?
- maybe just giving mean answers? (like in Suikoden V with the Lym points)

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Re: I don't get the choice to recruit Helmut

Postby gildedtalon » Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:54 pm

Maybe Snowe's medicine for the commander as well
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Re: I don't get the choice to recruit Helmut

Postby Antimatzist » Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:26 am

gildedtalon wrote:Maybe Snowe's medicine for the commander as well

Yeah, choices like this.

There's no way in telling without a lot of testing, writing down each and every of your answers and then try it (and see how many confessions you need to advance the story).

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Re: I don't get the choice to recruit Helmut

Postby gildedtalon » Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:20 am

We don't need to understand how it happened, we already have the solution after all

People need to discuss about how to find the Fog ship instead
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Re: I don't get the choice to recruit Helmut

Postby wataru14 » Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:50 am

You don't need to do any confessions to recruit Snowe or Helmut. I never do them and I have no problems recruiting either.

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Re: I don't get the choice to recruit Helmut

Postby Sasarai10 » Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:56 am

gildedtalon wrote:We don't need to understand how it happened, we already have the solution after all

People need to discuss about how to find the Fog ship instead


I think it won't appear on the world map. And you have to find it on your own.

One thing i hated in S4 was this basically. I had to wander around world map forever.

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Re: I don't get the choice to recruit Helmut

Postby Antimatzist » Fri Oct 09, 2015 3:35 pm

wataru14 wrote:You don't need to do any confessions to recruit Snowe or Helmut. I never do them and I have no problems recruiting either.

Yeah, if you had read all posts, you see that most people have no problems with it and it is most likely based on your choices in the game. So congratulations, you make always the right choices. But I can confirm that if you can't do it, confessions help.


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