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Most beloved antagonist character

Postby BrucePrintscreen » Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:23 pm

I mentioned on another topic that I always had a fondness for Culgan & Seed. I found their death to be poignant. These two guys were brave and honest, they just made the wrong choice.

So it inspired me this topic: which character from the enemy's side do you like the most?

I'm not asking you who you think is the best villain because no-one can beat Luca Blight at this. I'm asking who you love despite them being on the other side and why.

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Re: Most beloved antagonist character

Postby Sasarai10 » Fri Aug 22, 2014 4:00 pm

Luc.


He made the right choice,than being always the Leknaat's sidekick :|

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Re: Most beloved antagonist character

Postby sticky-runes » Fri Aug 22, 2014 4:42 pm

I like Graham Cray's story. It's not every day you meet someone in the Suikoden world who cut their own hand off to get rid of a rune.

I like Colton as well. He was bit of a stern old git, but he had a nice fatherly nature as well.

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Re: Most beloved antagonist character

Postby veriaqa » Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:39 pm

Gizel, Troy, and Teo
I've came with an army who loves death like Yours loves live.

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Re: Most beloved antagonist character

Postby wataru14 » Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:27 pm

I've never really felt much affection towards any of the "villains." The only one that I could possibly like was Lucia in S2. Everyone else seemed to me to be on the wrong end of a clearly right/wrong conflict and it angered me that they let things like loyalty and honor force them to do things that are clearly wrong.

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Re: Most beloved antagonist character

Postby Wolkendrache » Sat Aug 23, 2014 5:47 am

BrucePrintscreen wrote:I mentioned on another topic that I always had a fondness for Culgan & Seed. I found their death to be poignant. These two guys were brave and honest, they just made the wrong choice.

I liked the cunning of Gizel and Leon of course. As for Culgan and Seed, Culgan yes, Seed less. Here's why...

(Battle at the mercenary fort)
Solon Jhee: "Soon we'll be able to see their fort. I bet they're shivering like little mice. Okay, let's finish this before Lord Luca comes!!!"
Culgan: "Don't be reckless. You might lose your head."
Seed: "I agree we should finish them before Luca comes. Otherwise we might not get a chance. Right, Culgan?"
Culgan: "It's unwise to take foolish risks. Better conserve your strength until it's needed."
Seed: "How boring!!! An opportunity missed is an opportunity wasted!"

(Battle at North Window)
Solon Jhee: "Good. They're just rats in a trap. Crush them! Don't let anyone escape!!!!"
Culgan: "But our forces are spread too thin. Our flanks are too exposed...."
Solon Jhee: "Exposed? The only thing our flanks are exposed to are the open fields of South Window!! Don't worry, just get them!!!"
Seed: "This will be fun. That old coward from South Window gave up without a fight and I was getting bored."

Culgan is wise. Seed is aggressive, but fortunately smart enough to eventually follow Culgan. Maybe it's just me, but I can't imagine it was Seed's idea to follow Jowy.
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Re: Most beloved antagonist character

Postby Sasarai10 » Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:20 am

Culgan is probably the "Flik" of Highland Army and Seed the "Viktor" one? :?:

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Re: Most beloved antagonist character

Postby sticky-runes » Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:58 am

Sasarai10 wrote:Culgan is probably the "Flik" of Highland Army and Seed the "Viktor" one? :?:

Flik - you mean the guy who decided to rush Scarleticia without agreeing to send anyone to scout out the area, and got half the liberation army wiped out in the process?

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Re: Most beloved antagonist character

Postby BrucePrintscreen » Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:15 pm

sticky-runes wrote:
Sasarai10 wrote:Culgan is probably the "Flik" of Highland Army and Seed the "Viktor" one? :?:

Flik - you mean the guy who decided to rush Scarleticia without agreeing to send anyone to scout out the area, and got half the liberation army wiped out in the process?


That's a younger Flik, not the Flik we know in Suikoden II. Perhaps a younger Culgan was pretty reckless and learnt the hard way to become the quiet guy he is.

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Re: Most beloved antagonist character

Postby Wolkendrache » Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:29 pm

BrucePrintscreen wrote:
sticky-runes wrote:
Sasarai10 wrote:Culgan is probably the "Flik" of Highland Army and Seed the "Viktor" one? :?:

Flik - you mean the guy who decided to rush Scarleticia without agreeing to send anyone to scout out the area, and got half the liberation army wiped out in the process?


That's a younger Flik, not the Flik we know in Suikoden II. Perhaps a younger Culgan was pretty reckless and learnt the hard way to become the quiet guy he is.

So you mean the guy who questioned the fighting abilities of a 16 year-old until he got seriously battered by the kid.
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Re: Most beloved antagonist character

Postby Sasarai10 » Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:39 pm

BrucePrintscreen wrote:
That's a younger Flik, not the Flik we know in Suikoden II. Perhaps a younger Culgan was pretty reckless and learnt the hard way to become the quiet guy he is.



Yeah Flik seems more mature in S2 than he was in S1,but Viktor didn't change a lot.


I wonder how they'd be if they'd exist in S3....they'be 42 y.o. and 47 y.o. respectively. I guess Flik would fight less and have some kind of a desk job,but Viktor would still be as he was in the first 2 game but he'd look older

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Re: Most beloved antagonist character

Postby sticky-runes » Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:04 pm

Viktor wasn't exactly reckless, though. He was when Neclord showed up, which was understandable, but I think he knew when to take precautions and not go charging ahead. He didn't fight his way out of Gregminster or into Grady's mansion - he used trickery!

By the way, did you notice that Culgan got sent on his own to invite Riou and Theresa to the "treaty"? Jowy and Leon must have thought Seed would blurt out something he wasn't supposed to.

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Re: Most beloved antagonist character

Postby Sasarai10 » Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:45 pm

sticky-runes wrote:Viktor wasn't exactly reckless, though. He was when Neclord showed up, which was understandable, but I think he knew when to take precautions and not go charging ahead. He didn't fight his way out of Gregminster or into Grady's mansion - he used trickery!

By the way, did you notice that Culgan got sent on his own to invite Riou and Theresa to the "treaty"? Jowy and Leon must have thought Seed would blurt out something he wasn't supposed to.



Yeah but no secret comment when you had him in your convoy :(

I really wonder why Leon didn't came by himself as he did before the battle of Luca if you've managed to save Ridley :?:

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Re: Most beloved antagonist character

Postby sticky-runes » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:23 am

F#ck it, I'm gonna include Eurum Barows as a favourite villain. We don't often see comical villains who end up being the butt of the game's jokes, but I actually like how he overdoes everything - his posturing and flourishing in front of the royal family, and later on when he tries to act like a hero to the people of Sable, and I like when he's posing as the fortune teller during the quest for Alhazred's tome, his dialogue is so long winded and over the top, it's like he's a piss take on all foppish RPG characters. I've never recruited him as an SOD and I don't think I ever will because the reward for forgiving him just doesn't seem high enough, but I do enjoy his performances throughout the game.

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Re: Most beloved antagonist character

Postby Wolkendrache » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:59 am

Yeah, and as a reward for this entertainment I always recruit him. I've no need for anything that stupid Eresh has to offer.
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