Suikoden vs Lord of the Rings

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Except Odessa stays dead. Gremio comes back, though. Gremio the White.
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Odessa is revived, she just becomes Odessa the Blue
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The Lorelai from Suikoden 5 is too awesome to become the useless bint she was in Suikoden 1, so you're probably right.
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Elves seem to age the same way humans do: Sylvina is as old as Lorelai, Kirkis = Antonio, Stallion = Lester, Selma = Ugetsu, Paula = Flare.
What is behind the strange aging of the Alseid Elves (similar to strider's aging)? Urda is as old as Bastan, and Isato is older than Raja. Did the game tell something that I missed?
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Lord of the Rings has nothing to offer that can be compared to Rina, so Suikoden wins the fight.
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I always find Georg's role in the Queen's death is similar to that of the Mad King and Jaime Lannister in Game of Thrones. Obviously, just purely because they stick a blade thru the back of a crazed royal who want to burn everything in sight. Queenslayer!
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While playing Suikoden Tactics I had to think of LOTR...
After the battle at Graska palace, Heinz asks Kyril to talk tete-a-tete. He tells Kyril he doesn't plan to destroy the rune cannons, instead he would like to bring them back to the scarlet moon empire, so that Kooluk is weakened and the empire strengthened. Although Kyril is from the scarlet moon empire himself, he answers: "No! They must be destroyed!"

In most stories, the hero has to get a great power to defeat evil. In both LOTR and Suikoden Tactics, the hero has to destroy that great power to defeat evil. I wouldn't consider Heinz as being evil, he's just a patriot, doing whatever benefits his country, much like Boromir (even though Boromir actually understood that the ring must be destroyed, but couldn't resist). And that young Kyril already understands his responsibility to destroy the great power, much like Frodo.

I believe Tolkien had the atom bomb in mind when he wrote LOTR. People just can't deal with great power, there is no "right hand" for it. Great power can end wars, but it's killing thousands of innocent people, and thus, it's laying the seeds for the next war. This theme appears in Suikoden 5 as well, when a rebellion was ended by the use of the sun rune, creating more suffering, and attracting others to try to attain that power.
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Why not we the fans of both series create a Suikoden: Lord Of The Rings Based cause sure would be an amazing game 108+ characters from Lord Of The Rings in a game style Suikoden sure I would kill for a game like that :mrgreen:
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Isenhart wrote:Why not we the fans of both series create a Suikoden: Lord Of The Rings Based cause sure would be an amazing game 108+ characters from Lord Of The Rings in a game style Suikoden sure I would kill for a game like that :mrgreen:
What would that be like?

Hero (Tir/Riou etc.): Frodo/Bilbo
Leader (Lepant, Lino etc.): Aragorn
Strategist: Gandalf
Tablet guardian (Luc/Zerase): Galadriel
Sworn Protector (Gremio/Lyon etc.): Sam Gamgee
Town Mayor (Teresa/Talgeyl etc.): Theoden
Beastly fighter (Fu Su Lu/Gau tec.): Beorn
Duo (Tai Ho & Yam Koo): Pippin & Merry
Male/Female duo (Hix & Tengaar): Eomer and Eowyn
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Yep Something like that But:

Frodo - Hero
Sam - Protector
Éowin - Faramir - Couple
Tom Bombadill - Mage and Tablet Guardian joins after 108 stars
Aragorn (Flik) Gimli (Viktor) Legolas (?????) don't remember another - Leaders
Gandalf - Strategist
Galadriel, Élrond, Théoden(die) Denetor(die) - Town Mayor
Gollum - Betrayal

plus special charcters
Glóin(Hobbit and LOTR), Beor(Hobbit and LOTR), Gwaihir(Hobbit and LOTRO), Radagast(Hobbit and LOTR), Dwalin(Hobbit), Berethor(LOTR TTA), Idrial(LOTR TTA), Elegost(LOTR TTA), Hadhod(LOTR TTA), Morwen(LOTR TTA), Éoaden(LOTR TTA) + others.
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Stone Tablet of Genso Lord of the Rings

1) Frodo the Bearer (Tir), main protagonist
2) Aragorn the Strider (Lepant), future leader
3) Gandalf the Grey Pilgrim (Mathiu), strategist
4) Galadriel Lady of Lorien (Luc), connection to vision
5) Theoden Lord of the Mark (Humphrey), great blade general
6) Glorfindel the Golden Lord (Kasim), high-ranking general
7) Thranduil Lord of Mirkwood (Kwanda), high-ranking general
8 ) King of the Dead the Betrayer (Pesmerga), mysterious high-ranking general
9) Sam the Gardener (Gremio), sworn protector
10) Celeborn Lord of Lothlorien (Warren), noble supporter
11) Elrond Lord of Rivendell (Kun To), noble supporter
12) Eomer the Horselord (Cleo), pair with 25
13) Boromir Captain of the White Tower (Viktor), similarity with 14
14) Faramir Prince of Ithilien (Valeria), similarity with 13
15) Imrahil Prince of Dol Amroth (Griffith)
16) Legolas Greenleaf (Clive), long-range fighter
17) Beregond Guard of the Citadel (Flik), sword user
18) Grimbold Grimslade Marshal (Camille), lance user
19) Halbarad Captain from the North (Kreutz)
20) Shadowfax Faster than the Wind (Stallion), supernatural speed
21) Radagast Bird Friend (Kage)
22) Gimli Elf Friend (Fu Su Lu), axe wielder
23) Erkenbrand West Marshal (Kirkis)
24) Elfhelm East Marshal (Milich)
25) Eowyn Shieldmaiden (Pahn), pair with 12
26) Tom Bombadil Oldest and Fatherless (Sonya), highest navy leader
27) Gwaihir Windlord (Anji), team with 29 & 31
28) Treebeard Shepherd of Trees (Tai Ho), older brother of 30
29) Landroval Wide-Wing (Kanak), team with 27 & 31
30) Bregalad Quickbeam (Yam Koo), younger brother of 28
31) Meneldor Sky-Lord (Leonardo), team with 27 & 29
32) Merry Master of Buckland (Hix), sworn brother of 33
33) Pippin Foolish Took (Tengaar), sworn brother of 32
34) Elladan Elf-Man (Varkas), brother of 35
35) Elrohir Elf-Knight (Sydonia), brother of 34
36) Arwen Evenstar (Eileen), wife of 2

Notes
- explanation: name + nickname (Suikoden 1 equivalent), similarity with novel or game
- the navy generals 26-31 are replaced by mysterious creatures
- Glorfindel is an elven lord of Rivendell; Celeborn is the husband of Galadriel; Imrahil is a powerful prince of a southern Gondorian principality; Beregond is a captain of the Minas Tirith guards; Grimbold, Erkenbrand and Elfhelm are marshals of Rohan; Halbarad is a captain of the rangers from the north; Tom Bombadil is a gamebreaker; Gwaihir, Landroval and Meneldor are eagles; Bregalad is an ent like Treebeard; Elladan and Elrohir are twin sons of Elrond
- no earthly fiends in this game
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I disagree of the:
1.) Frodo The Ring Bearer*** not only the bearer and NOT the silent protagonist
8.) Sméagol the Betrayer (??????) splintered mind
37.) King of the Dead Traitor of the Oath (Pesmerga), mysterious high-ranking general
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If LOTR is suikodenized, then we'll have to pay a price:
1. characters will bear runes instead of rings
2. the hero will be made "silent" (or whatever you might call it)

The 8. star of the tablet is usually a high-ranking general (it's fixed, Pesmerga can't be no.37), originally a heavy-armored cavalry general with some connection to the color black. Smeagol has nothing of all this. In fact, characters who betray your own army are usually non-stars like Sanchez.
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Alright bro I understand but it will be a Lord of the Rings x Suikoden so we can switch some things we can put the 8 star like the Dead King but we can use rings in place of the runes on the left and right Hands and necklace in place of the Head rune
and make some different things we don't need to be so faithful to the game cause on Lord of The Rings we will not find 108 characters worth of being a star of destiny its an ideia that we need to work in
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You have a point there. Everyone has different ideas of what to mix in.
My idea is basically...
LOTR elements:
1. characters
2. setting (middle-earth)
Suikoden elements:
1. concept of SOD (I'm fine with the 36 heavenly stars)
2. heroes forming an army in a remote headquarter to resist whatever evil
That's fair. As for magic, I don't care either whether to use rings or runes. But if you leave out too many Suikoden elements, then there's no Suikoden at all.
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