Where was this battle at?

Wicked_Rune_Bearer · Post by **Wicked_Rune_Bearer** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 2:25 pm

It said that before crowley and mazus were born again they held a massive battle atop of some mountains. Clearing away the mountains with their devestating power they both desigrated along with their magic amongest the grounds they fought. So it's clear they both died fighting each other also apparently creating plains of rumble in the process. But what i'm trying to figure out is where was this at? Where exactly did they fight. highland, city-state, matilda, the nameless lands, scarlett moon had already been established (at least suikoden timeline says so) so that means that the grasslands has probably been established already seeing as harmonia and the nameless lands had already. nothing is mentioned of kooluk and the island nations or falena but i have an idea they had also probably been established at this point so where does this battle leave? Just wondering does anyone have a general idea of where this could have been or has konami not said yet.

pesmerga786 · Post by **pesmerga786** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 2:40 pm

I thought it happened in the grasslands

Jowy Atreides · Post by **Jowy Atreides** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 2:40 pm

http://suikosource.com/chars/list/m.php

Mazus (Chizen Star)
Origin: Unknown
Position: Arch Magi
Events: Duel between Crowley and Mazus, Dunan Unification War
Mazus was a student under Crowley, but his ambition has turned to defeating his master. He has been unable to achieve this yet, however. During a duel that took place over a hundred years ago, the force of their duel leveled three mountains and evaporated a lake; what remains of that duel is said to be the desolate Karakas Desert which covers 70% of the Senan Area. Mazus is obsessed with sorcery, and constantly experiments with magic, trying new ingredients and catalysts as well as combining different runes. He has been witnessed experimenting with magic in the forest between Muse and Greenhill and has been experimenting within the Tinto Mines as well. He joined the Dunan Unification Army purely out of his wish to experiment with his magic. His magic proved a great help to the Unification Army.

http://www.suikox.com/suik1/map1.html

By the way, this isn't a theory.

Lemmy Claypool · Post by **Lemmy Claypool** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 2:40 pm

The space between Senan and South Window that connects Toran to Dunan. Their duel created the wastelands.

EDIT: Jowy was faster and provided a more descript response :p

Wicked_Rune_Bearer · Post by **Wicked_Rune_Bearer** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 2:54 pm

i guess i didn't think which geography i was posting in my bad. guess i should have also found that out before i posted too well thanks.

Also i know this has nothing to do with this tread but i was wondering this and since this thread isn't going anywhere umm does anyone know if we're going to get to see a return of crowley or mazus in S5

Angelis_Taleria · Post by **Angelis_Taleria** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 4:00 pm

Probably not. Their star will probably be replaced with another powerful wizard.

Alastor · Post by **Alastor** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:45 pm

Then i dont understand. If battle was at Senan, and it was, why is that teritory today called Karakas desert when Karakas is between Kooluk and Toran?

Post by **Vextor** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:44 pm

There's no "Karakas" between Kooluk and Toran. Maybe you're confusing it with "Kanakan," but Kanakan is located to the southeast of Toran, and east of Kooluk, on an island.

riou83 · Post by **riou83** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:23 pm

The battle devestated the area giving birth to the "badlands" that Victor and Flik travelled through to get to the City States. Which Flik had said almost killed him .

Alastor · Post by **Alastor** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:57 pm

Sars wrote:There's no "Karakas" between Kooluk and Toran. Maybe you're confusing it with "Kanakan," but Kanakan is located to the southeast of Toran, and east of Kooluk, on an island.

That is was thinking, mea culpa, sorry.