Ninjas in the suikoden world

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Postby Asquian » Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:14 am

there's alot of guesswork here but...

anyway, the way i see it, there are two initial ninja clans, Rokkoku and the mercenaries. The Rokkokus are the clan whom are simply family clans of ninjas. This is the clan to which Kasumi, Sasuke, Mondo, and possibly Fuma belong. They are ninjas with great honor, whom will fight for causes they view as right.

then there are the mercenary clans, whom hire out contracts to whomever can pay. these include the ninja whom attempts to assassinate Tyr in the early chapters of GS1, and Kage himself. I believe that in the timeline of S1, both that ninja and Kage were in the same mercanary clan, but eventually Kage, along with Ayame and Watari splintered off to form the Kage ninjas, a small clan of ninjas in the employ, and loyal to, the Blight family of Highland. As to what happens to the Kage ninjas after the fall of the Blight family, that's probably speculation best left to character theory forum.
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Postby himurokoken » Fri Jul 02, 2004 2:10 pm

Where did you hear about this Kage ninjas? I haven't heard anything about this.

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Postby Asquian » Fri Jul 02, 2004 7:29 pm

It's in the Watari/Ayame subquest in 3, that or maybe the Kidd investigations mentions this.

I seem to remember Ayame referring to their organization as Kage.
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Postby Jewber » Sun Jul 04, 2004 1:20 pm

Actually i think she calls them the Black Wind, but its supposed to be Kage

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Postby Faust » Sun Jul 04, 2004 2:50 pm

This is the clan to which Kasumi, Sasuke, Mondo, and possibly Fuma belong


Fuma didn't originate there. He was invited to join them after the events of Suikoden, but it's unlikely that he did given that he wasn't with them in Suikoden 2. However, he may have just been hiding and perfecting his skill hehe (which is QUITE shabby in Suikoden as he's pretty bloody easy to spot!).

Yeah, Kage does have a merc group. Probably funded by the 20k you have to pay him to join up in the original Suikoden. Mind you, Watari requires 100k...quite a bit more.

I found Watari to be a poor man's Kage. Kage was totally apathetic and was just a mercenary for hire. However, Watari had more story to him, and seemed to have a few more feelings, which p'ed me off slightly as he was technically just hired muscle.
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Postby Stallion » Sun Jul 04, 2004 5:16 pm

It is viable and indeed likely that, like Fuma in the original, there are 'solo' ninja and/or other ninja clans. Even Sydonia could 'technically' be called a ninja.

I do remember Ayame calling their clan the Kage ( shadow ) clan, and she also mentions that they worked for Highland, meaning the original Kage was a member if not the founder of this clan.

As for Fuma joining Rokkaku... it's hard to tell, as he never mentions being lonely or anything, and there are no investigations to do. It could be assumed either way, and he could even have changed his clothes and perhaps he was one of the ninja at Rokkaku ( the one hanging from the ceiling? )

I always imagined Fuma to be hidden in the ceiling rafters of Hanzo's room, watching when the party comes to recruit...

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Postby Jewber » Sat Jul 10, 2004 9:52 pm

I think its more like, there are different clans of ninja, there are Mercenary Ninja (like the Kage group) and theyre are Tiered Clans, (like Rokkaku). The Mercenary are ninja that hire themselves out, obviously. I think that everyone starts in a Tiered Clan, thats how they are trained, and leave, as i doubt theres much penalty, because its like a village, on the other hand Mercenary Ninja are really hard to leave theyre clan (Watari and the reason Ayame is chasing him?)... or something like that.

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Postby Blitzkrieg » Wed Sep 08, 2004 12:27 am

Kage Ninjas = The Dark Wind. Ayame and Watari belong to that group. But it's never said that Kage himself belonged.
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Postby Ced The Lad » Wed Sep 08, 2004 12:37 am

Actually it did confirm that, in one source. Kage is part of the "Kage" ninjas. Makes things more confusing if you ask me.
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Postby Blitzkrieg » Wed Sep 08, 2004 12:40 am

Really? That...does seem a little confusing. Is he the founder or something?

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Postby Vextor » Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:31 am

The source is the Official Suikoden 3 Complete Guide released in Japan.
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Postby Blitzkrieg » Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:33 am

Does anyone here have it translated? Or is it up on the site? I am kinda blind.
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Postby Vextor » Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:47 am

Nope, but there are a number of people who are fluent in Japanese here, including myself.
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Postby Maldonado » Sat Sep 11, 2004 11:37 am

Ninjas are simply mercenaries. They fight for whoever can pay them (Kage). And of course, if they have any interests in, for example, Liberation Army to win the war, they'll help. But only if it suits them. If I were ninja, I deffinitly wouldn't fight for someone who's not paying me. Ninja has to eat too, right?
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Postby Hxc Flavor » Sat Sep 11, 2004 12:22 pm

I don't think all the ninjas are mercenaries. Ayame and Watari's group were just ninjas. As were the ninjas from Rokkaku.
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