Weapon Names: where they came from (*name spoilers)

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Weapon Names: where they came from (*name spoilers)

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I've always been interested in the inspiration behind certain names in video games and their real life counterparts. I know for instance in Final Fantasy VII there's a ton of Jungian archetypes, mythological and religious references/origins, etc. throughout the game. The many Suikoden games are no exception, and each one has developed from a unique real world basis of history, myth, and culture.

In the following I will focus primarily on weapon names. They will be listed under their owners who are listed alphabetically. I won't include all the weapons and characters, because some aren't really that unusual. For instance Georg's Iai sword names are Wind, Moon, and Cloud. While there's a wealth of interesting information out there on those three topics - both in the scientific and mythological/cultural sense - it goes outside the basic scope of this "guide". Anyways, I hope you enjoy.

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Belcoot::
  • Akatsiya: The 2S3 Akatsiya is/was a 152 mm self-propelled artillery produced by the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Akatsiya translated from Russian to English means "Acacia".
  • Giantsint: This Soviet 2A36 Howitzer is/was known in Russian service as the 2S5 Giantsint (or Giatsint in some publications), these weapons being specifically adopted in the mid 1980s for counterbattery and long range bombardment operations. Giantsint translated from Russian to English means "Hyacinth".
  • Gvozdika: The 2S1 Gvozdika is/was a Soviet 122-mm self-propelled howitzer that was fully amphibious and entered into service with the Soviet Army in the early 1970s. Gvozdika translated from Russian to English means "Carnation".
Bernadette::
  • Het-Heru: Also known as "Hathor" (the Greek derivation of her name). Het-Heru, translated from Egyptian as "House of Horus", was originally a personification of the Milky Way, which was seen as the milk that flowed from the udders of a heavenly cow. Het-Heru was an ancient goddess, and was worshipped as a cow-deity from at least 2700 BC.
  • Nebt-het: In Egyptian mythology, Nephthys (spelled Nebt-het in transliteration from Egyptian hieroglyphs) is one of the Ennead of Heliopolis, a daughter of Nut and Geb, and the sister/wife of Set. She represented divine assistance on a number of levels. While Nephthys was a ferocious, potentially dangerous divinity, capable of incinerating the enemies of the Pharaoh with her fiery breath, she also acted as the "nursing mother" of the god Horus and thus was also considered to be the nurse of the Pharaoh himself.
  • Ast: Also known as "Isis" (Greek derivation). Ast was most prominent mythologically as the wife and sister of Osiris and mother of Horus, and was worshipped as the archetypal wife and mother. Her name literally means "Queen of the throne". Her original headdress was an empty throne chair belonging to her murdered husband, Osiris. As the personification of the throne, she was an important source of the Pharaoh's power.
Cathari::
  • Rotkappchen: German meaning "Little Red Cap". Basically the story of Little Red Riding Hood.
  • Aschenputl: Another well-known version of "Cinderella" in which the girl is called Aschenputtel was recorded by the German Brothers Grimm in the 19th century.
  • Schneewittchen: Snow White (in German, Schneewittchen) is the title character in a fairy tale known from many places in Europe, the best known version being the one collected by the Brothers Grimm.
Cornelio::
  • Forte, Fortissimo, Fortississimo: Dynamic indications in music (denoted by f, ff, fff) meaning to play loud, louder, etc.
Dinn::
  • Manar al-Sana, Najm al-Sabah, Shams al-Zuha: Princesses in a Thousand Nights and a Night.
Eresh::
  • Erra: An Akkadian (Assyro-Babylonian) plague god known from the Erra epos of the eighth century BC. Erra is the god of mayhem and pestilence that is responsible for periods of political confusion.
  • Gugalnana: The Sumerian "Great Bull of Heaven" (from Sumerian Gu=Bull, Gal=Great, Ana,An,Anu=Heaven, Sky) - a reference to the constellation Taurus. Gugalana was the first husband of the Goddess of the Underworld, Ereshkigal (from Sumerian Eresh=Under, Ki=Earth, Gal=Great), who was dispatched by Inanna to punish Gilgamesh for his sins. He is slain and dismembered by Gilgamesh's friend Enkidu.
  • Ner-gal: A deity in Babylonia with the main seat of his cult at Cuthah represented by the mound of Tell-Ibrahim. Nergal is mentioned in the Hebrew bible as the deity of the city of Cuth. Nergal was the deity who presided over the netherworld, and who stood at the head of the special pantheon assigned to the government of the dead (supposed to be gathered in a large subterranean cave known as Aralu or Irkalla). In this capacity he has been associated with Ereshkigal.
Gavaya::
  • Rati: In Hinduism, Rati is the goddess of passion and lust, and a daughter of Daksha. She married Kama, the god of love.
  • Kama: In Hinduism, Kama is the god of love, and the son of Lakshmi. In Turkey, Kama are straight bladed, double edged daggers, while in Japan they are sickle-like weapons, often wielded in both hands, that evolved from tools used for cutting weeds.
Hazuki::
  • Nukate: Princess Nukate-hime was the mother of Emperor Jyomei, the 34th emperor of Japan.
  • Mimasu: Ichikawa Danjūrō is a stage name taken on by a series of Kabuki actors of the Ichikawa family. Shodai Ichikawa Danjūrō remains today one of the most famous of all kabuki actors and is considered one of the most influential. Danjūrō also dabbled in playwriting, which he did under the haimyō (poetry name) Mimasuya Hyōgo. "Mimasu" (三升) is the name for the mon (crest) of the Ichikawa family; many actors in the Danjūrō line have since used "Mimasu" or "Sansho", an alternate reading of the same characters, as their haimyō.
  • Ishima: Small island in Japan.
Isabel::
  • Hertjoturr: (Herfjötur) A minor, yet notable valkyrie in Norse mythology. The valkyries (Old Norse Valkyrja "Choosers of the Slain") minor female deities who served Odin. The valkyries' purpose was to choose the most heroic of those who had died in battle and to carry them off to Valhalla where they became einherjar.
  • Sigrun: In Norse mythology, Sigrún was a valkyrie and Sváfa reborn. Sváfa was probably the maternal aunt of Sigurd, the dragon slayer.
  • Brynhildr: In Norse mythology, Brynhildr was a shieldmaiden and a valkyrie. She is a main character in the Völsunga saga and some Eddic poems treating the same events. Under the name Brünnhilde she appears in the Nibelungenlied and therefore also in Richard Wagner's opera cycle Der Ring des Nibelungen.
Isato::
  • Daphne Bow: According to Greek myth, Apollo chased the nymph Daphne (Greek meaning "laurel"), daughter either of Peneus and Creusa, or of Ladon. His infatuation was caused by an arrow from Eros, who was jealous because Apollo had made fun of his archery skills. Daphne prayed to the river god Peneus to help her and he transformed her into a laurel tree, which became sacred to Apollo.
Josephine::
  • Oalatyne: (?) (?)
  • Melior: A French press, also known as a press pot, coffee press, coffee plunger or cafetière, is a coffee brewing device popularized by the French. Its French name is cafetière à piston, a melior (from an old brand of makers of coffee pots of this type) or a Bodum (another brand).
  • Melusine: Melusine (or Melusina) is a figure of European legends and folklore, a feminine spirit of fresh waters in sacred springs and rivers. She is usually depicted as a woman who is a serpent or fish (much like a mermaid) from the waist down. She is also sometimes illustrated with wings, two tails or both, and sometimes referred to as a nixie.
Kyle::
  • Tianjin Wind: Tianjin is one of the four municipalities of China. People from Tianjin are stereotyped to be eloquent, humorous, open, and unfettered.
Logg::
  • Shenzhen Iron Anchor: Shenzhen is a sub-provincial city of Guangdong province in southern China. Shenzhen is a centre of foreign investment and since the late 1970s has been one of the fastest growing cities in the world. It is also the busiest port in China after Shanghai.
Lu::
  • Puckle Bow: James Puckle (1667 - 1724) was an English inventor, lawyer and writer from London chiefly remembered for his invention of the Defence Gun (better known as the Puckle Gun), a multi-shot gun mounted on a stand capable of (depending on which version) firing 9 rounds per minute. The "Puckle Gun" is sometimes considered the first machine gun and resembles a single-barrelled Gatling Gun.
  • Eiger Bow: The Eiger is a mountain in the Alps of Switzerland.
Lyon::
  • Deutzia: Deutzia is a genus of about 60 species of shrubs in the family Hydrangeaceae, native to eastern and central Asia (from the Himalaya east to Japan and the Philippines), and Central America and also Europe. Deutzias are commonly grown as ornamental plants for their white flowers.
  • Trifoliate Orange: Trifoliate Orange is a member of the family Rutaceae, closely related to Citrus, and sometimes included in that genus, being sufficiently closely related to allow it to be used as a rootstock for Citrus. It is native to northern China and Korea, and is also known as the Chinese Bitter Orange.
Miakis::
  • Hesperioidea: In Greek mythology, the Hesperides (Greek: Ἑσπερίδες) are nymphs who tend a blissful garden in a far western corner of the world, located near the Atlas mountains in Libya, or on a distant blessed island at the edge of the encircling Oceanus, the world-ocean. Insects in the family Hesperiidae (superfamily Hesperioidea) of the order Lepidoptera are commonly called skipper butterflies, after their quick, darting flight habits.
  • Nymphalidae: The Nymphalidae is a family of about 5,000 species of butterflies which are distributed in all parts of the world. These are usually medium sized to large butterflies. Many species are brightly colored and they include popular species such as the emperor, admirals, tortoiseshells and fritillaries. However, the underwings are dull and in some species look remarkably like dead leaves, or are much paler, producing a cryptic effect that helps the butterfly disappear into its surroundings. Many species of Nymphalidae are named after famous nymphs from Greek mythology.
Nakula::
  • Oni Spear: Oni (鬼) are creatures from Japanese folklore, similar to Western demons such as ogres and trolls. They are popular characters in Japanese art, literature and theatre.
Nelis::
  • Nekhbet: In Egyptian mythology, Nekhbet was an early, predynastic, local goddess who was the patron of the city of Nekheb. She was seen as a goddess who had chosen to adopt the city, and consequently depicted as a vulture, a creature that the Egyptians thought only existed as females (not knowing that the males are identical), having to adopt children. Later she became patron of the pharaohs, in her case becoming the personification of Upper Egypt. Egypt’s oldest oracle was the shrine of Nekhbet at Nekheb, the original necropolis or city of the dead.
  • Dhwty: Thoth (Greek name derived from the Dhwty) was considered one of the most important deities of the Egyptian pantheon, often depicted with the head of an Ibis. He was considered the heart and tongue of Ra as well as the means by which Ra's will was translated into speech. He has also been likened to the Logos of Plato and the mind of God. In Egyptian mythology he has played many prominent roles, including being one of the two gods (the other being Ma'at) who stood on either side of Ra's boat. He has further been involved in arbitration, magic, writing, science, and the judging of the dead.
  • Benu: The Bennu bird serves as the Egyptian correspondence to the phoenix, and is said to be the soul of the Sun-God Ra. It was associated with the rising of the Nile, resurrection, and the sun. Because the Bennu represented creation and renewal, it was connected with the Egyptian calendar.
Nifsara::
  • Shataghanta: Mentioned in the Mahabharata as one of the mothers that became the companions of Kumara.
  • Shakti: Shakti meaning force, power or energy is the Hindu concept or personification of God's female aspect, sometimes referred to as 'The Divine Mother'. Shakti represents the active, dynamic principles of feminine power.
  • Pinaka: The divine bow of Shiva, one of the principal deities of Hinduism (often called "the Destroyer").
Rahal::
  • Cuthenkazma: (?) (?)
  • Forbitor: Latin for "Furbisher" (i believe)
  • Lamphinian: (?) (?)
Richard::
  • Stielglitz: (?) (?)
  • Zaunkonig: The G7es or Zaunkönig T-5 was a torpedo employed by German U-boats during World War II. The torpedo was electric and had an effective range of 5700 meters at a speed of 24 knots (44 km/h). This torpedo employed acoustic, passive homing to find its target after a straight run of 400 meters. The 400 meter limit was employed for safety reasons, even though there were at least two instances of U-boats sinking after being hit by their own torpedo.
  • Bachstelze: The Focke Achgelis Fa-330 Bachstelze ("Wagtail") was a type of rotary kite, essentially an unpowered Autogyro. They were towed behind German U-boats during World War II to allow a lookout to see further, giving the submarines a better chance of escape in a war that was becoming increasingly dangerous to them.
Roog::
  • Bagaraatan: Bagaraatan (meaning "small hunter") was a genus of theropod dinosaur from the Late Cretaceous period.
  • Zapsalis: Zapsalis (meaning "through shears") was a theropod dinosaur that lived during the Cretaceous period.
  • Angaturama: Angaturama (meaning "noble, brave") is a genus of spinosaurid theropod dinosaur from the Early Cretaceous (northeastern Brazil). It was named after Angaturama, a protective spirit in the aboriginal Tupi Indian culture of Brazil.
Sharmista::
  • Agneya: The Guardians of the Directions are the deities who rule the specific directions of space according to Hinduism and Vajrayāna Buddhism. Agni is the guardian of the Southeast, the sanskrit name of which is Āgneya.
  • Asani: (?) (?)
  • Sudarsana: Vishvaksena is a trusted attendant of Lord Vishnu and is believed to be Vishnu's attendant who is in-charge of the Lord's wealth. Vishnu is the Supreme Being or Ultimate Reality for Vaishnavas and a manifestation of Brahman in the Advaita or Smarta traditions of Hinduism. The day prior to the start of the annual Brahmotsavam, the Vishvaksena idol (Lord's commander-in-chief) in the company of other idols related to Vishnu - Ananta (Lord's Conch and war announcing instrument), Garuda (Eagle and Lord's vehicle) and Sudarsana (Lord's weapon), are taken to the Vasanta mandapam (Spring hall) and oversee the Ankurarpana ceremony (sowing nine types of seeds for germination in decorated earthen plates).
Subala::
  • Wave, Moon, and Pine Wind Sasumata: The sasumata (刺股) is a Japanese mancatcher and firefighting tool. Historically, it was usually around 2 meters in length, with a U-shaped head. This head looks similar to a koto bridge, so it is sometimes called a kotojibō.
Urda::
  • Hyale: Pale Clouded Yellow (Colias hyale) is a small butterfly of the Family Pieridae, that is, the Yellows and Whites, which is found in most of Europe and large parts of Asia.
  • Cyrene: In Greek mythology, as recorded in Pindar's 9th Pythian ode, Cyrene (or Kyrene, Greek Κυρήνη) ("sovereign queen") was the daughter of Hypseus, King of the Lapiths. When a lion attacked her father's sheep, Cyrene wrestled with the lion. Apollo, who was present, immediately fell in love with her and kidnapped her. He took her to North Africa and founded the city of Cyrene in her name.
  • Callisto: In Greek mythology, Callisto ("most beautiful") was a nymph of Artemis.
Yahr::
  • Neshmet: Neshmet is the original Egyptian name for the Boat of Osiris.
  • Mesektet and Manjet: According to Egyptian mythology, each day Ra was born and began a journey across the sky. Ra was believed to travel in the Manjet-boat, or the "Barque of Millions of Years". He was joined on this daily journey by a crew of many gods . The Manjet-boat would sail through the twelve provinces, representing the twelve hours of daylight. At the end of each day Ra was thought to die and embarked on his night voyage. For this journey he was called Auf, which means 'corpse'. Ra sailed in a boat called the Mesektet-boat or night-barque on his journey through the twelve hours of darkness.
Zegai::
  • Zenki: (?) (?)
  • Sojo: (?) (?)
  • Sagami: Sagami (相模国) was an old province of Japan. It occupied most of the area that is today Kanagawa prefecture, but present-day Yokohama and Kawasaki, now part of Kanagawa Prefecture, were not in Sagami. Sagami bordered on Izu, Kai, Musashi and Suruga provinces. The ancient capital of the province was located near modern Hiratsuka. During the Sengoku period, Sagami's chief castle was at Odawara, although it was generally ruled from its larger neighbor Musashi.
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Sorry if there's some missing data - some of the names could've been misspelled or i wasn't looking in the right places. But I hope you enjoy reading what I did come across, and maybe it sparked some interests of your own. I definitely recommend reading further on the different myths and such and just keep looking up related names and stories and see where they take you! (b^_^)b

*Sources: Wikipedia + miscellaneous online sources
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*Sources: Wikipedia + miscellaneous online sources
wikipedia si a very unreliable source, however most the stuff you had there seemed true and it was very interesting. Thanks!
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Know anything about ravens last wepon name weapon name?

Rook-a chess peice(that usually sets up a checkmate)

carrion crow- a bird?

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and what about Yubers death crimsom and King cimson?
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Black knight overlord wrote:nevermore-?
Read "the Raven" by Edgar Allan Poe.
and what about Yubers death crimsom and King cimson?
It's named after the band.
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Read "the Raven" by Edgar Allan Poe.
Great story. anyway, It seems they get names from all over the place, and just like the Character names I think they just pick some out of a hat, like on total randomness. However a lot of them from earlier Suikoden's have some sort of meaning to them to. I like the Tengaar+ and Odessa + thing, that was always neat.
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Georg's weapon names in this installment seem to be the English translation of his weapon names from Suikoden II. Correct me if I'm wrong. I did find somewhere that Kaze meant "wind"...
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Correct me if I'm wrong. I did find somewhere that Kaze meant "wind"...
Georg's weapon names in this installment seem to be the English translation of his weapon names from Suikoden II. Correct me if I'm wrong. I did find somewhere that Kaze meant "wind"...
A frined told me Kaze means Wind so your right, unless my friend lied. :?
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Black knight overlord wrote:Know anything about ravens last wepon name weapon name?

Rook-a chess peice(that usually sets up a checkmate)
A Rookery is a place where ravens breed. A rook is also the name of a bird related to the raven.
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Kitsuo, this is incredible work! Thank you!
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hmm what about Viki's Wow Wow Wand??

:o

seriously, the only weapon name i've never forgotten up until now is Freed Y's sword

the Raikomaru

maybe because it sounded like the character Rikimaru lol
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well raiken has something to do with lightning right? (you just learn so much from anime and fighting games....)
that could explain the Lightning Rune on Freed's weapon.
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raiko = lightning

'maru' is an ending given to names of people and objects and by itself it doesn't really have any meaning.
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'maru' is an ending given to names of people and objects and by itself it doesn't really have any meaning.
Heh...It's an awesome name though, Like Maru from Arc The Lad 4.
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too bad the "Thunder" sword ended up on a wimpy guy like Freed Y and not on Flik...

i do hope Freed would make a comeback with a very nasty Raikomaru

maybe this time as a wandering swordsman hmm?
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Richard::

* Stielglitz: (?) (?)
* Zaunkonig: The G7es or Zaunkönig T-5 was a torpedo employed by German U-boats during World War II. The torpedo was electric and had an effective range of 5700 meters at a speed of 24 knots (44 km/h). This torpedo employed acoustic, passive homing to find its target after a straight run of 400 meters. The 400 meter limit was employed for safety reasons, even though there were at least two instances of U-boats sinking after being hit by their own torpedo.
* Bachstelze: The Focke Achgelis Fa-330 Bachstelze ("Wagtail") was a type of rotary kite, essentially an unpowered Autogyro. They were towed behind German U-boats during World War II to allow a lookout to see further, giving the submarines a better chance of escape in a war that was becoming increasingly dangerous to them.
Basically, his weapons are named after German birds- European Goldfinch, Winter Wren and, as you've already said, the Wagtail. However, I wasn't aware that Nazis named weapons after this...

btw is this topic only meant to deal with S V weaopns?


EDIT: Ah, and they misspelled the first weapon: The bird's called "Stieglitz", not Stielglitz.
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