Yuber and Pesmerga - Overhyped

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Yuber and Pesmerga - Overhyped

Postby Falenan_descent » Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:19 pm

You know, I don't believe any of this Yuber/Pesmerga Hogwash. (Yes, I just used Hogwash.) I think they're overhyped characters that aren't all that important. If you look at the recent effects of runes on people, we know that runes can make you go crazy. Right? Well, Yuber has the Eightfold rune. What if that just makes him crazy? Notice that Yuber and Pesmerga both wear the same knight's outfit. What if they're just from an order of knights and Yuber one day found this magical Eightfold Rune that made him go psycho. And, now Pesmerga is out to bring him down.

And yeah, I know Yuber is thought to be "summoned". Well, its entirely feasable that Yuber can still be summoned due to the Eightfold rune. It may have certain effects we're unaware of. I'm pretty sure, though. That wherever Yuber and Pesmerga are from...they're part of an order of Knights that protect that realm.

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Re: Yuber and Pesmerga - Overhyped

Postby Raww Le Klueze » Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:29 pm

Interesting theory, and all it takes to make it work is disregard everything said about them and all staff members comments about their conflict ending meaning the end of the series.
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Re: Yuber and Pesmerga - Overhyped

Postby Falenan_descent » Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:58 am

I've never seen anything official by Konami about them. All I've ever heard is theories and such. So, unless someone can give me the facts then I'll believe my theory. And, as a note: If Konami officially stated something then why is it not in the character section on this site? For a fact, Yuber and Pesmerga's character pages say nothing about Dharma and Chaos and this ultimate final conclusion between the two. It just says that Pesmerga shows up when Yuber is around and that Yuber appears during great conflict and that he has the Eightfold Rune.

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Re: Yuber and Pesmerga - Overhyped

Postby Raww Le Klueze » Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:27 am

You can believe that pigs are green and have wings for all I care, but when Murayama says that their conflict can't be resolved till the final installment and Junko Kawano confirms that this is still the case then it's just plain stupid to say that they don't have any importance.

And why would it be in their profiles, it's not character information. Just like it doesn't mention that Yuber means Shade, it's nothing related to his game information. Konami have never said that they embody Order and Chaos, only that the conflict won't end till the series does.

Which brings us to point of why you haven't seen anything from Konami staff, you probably don't know Japanese.
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Re: Yuber and Pesmerga - Overhyped

Postby Falenan_descent » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:16 pm

にほんごがはなします。

Lol. Not really. But seriously. It's way too hyped up. And just because their story can't be resolved until the final Suikoden doesn't mean anything to me. It could just be that they want Pesmerga and Yuber to be recurring characters because Yuber is an easy plot mechanism. They throw him into major wars. And, since it ties together nicely with other games...it's a GOOD plot mechanism. And, so, if they finished their storyline before then they'd be out an SoD or two or a plot-twist.

Konami constantly recycles ideas. And just because Murayama says it doesn't mean anything because Murayama no longer handles anything with Suikoden anymore. And, just because Kawano confirms that that was still the case ALSO doesn't mean anything. The reason Murayama left is because Murayama's envision was different than everyone else's. It may be slightly similar but I'd highly doubt it if Kawano kept the same plot. And EVEN if they did it still doesn't mean that it's entirely all that great. It's just "Fanwank" as someone had stated, in my opinion.

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Re: Yuber and Pesmerga - Overhyped

Postby Raww Le Klueze » Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:49 am

Like I said, it works if you disregard everything ever said about them which is what you're trying to justify now.
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Re: Yuber and Pesmerga - Overhyped

Postby KFCrispy » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:03 am

the same can be said for anything in the game series, but we don't bet on it. for example, someone may decide to change it to 100 True Runes one day, but why the heck should we start talking about a 100 true rune idea unless it's actually been stated by the developers.. it's been stated that the Pesmerga/Yuber conflict will be the end of the series, so it's highly likely going to stay that way unless there is an official update.

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Re: Yuber and Pesmerga - Overhyped

Postby Night » Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:41 am

KFCrispy wrote:the same can be said for anything in the game series, but we don't bet on it. for example, someone may decide to change it to 100 True Runes one day, but why the heck should we start talking about a 100 true rune idea unless it's actually been stated by the developers.. it's been stated that the Pesmerga/Yuber conflict will be the end of the series, so it's highly likely going to stay that way unless there is an official update.


Can I just get this clarified? Was it said that their conflict would '...the end of the series,' or at the end of the series? The first option makes it sound like the conflict will be a defining factor in the final game, whereas the second could mean that they're just going to leave that particular storyline running until the very end.
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Re: Yuber and Pesmerga - Overhyped

Postby KFCrispy » Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:59 pm

their conflict will be resolved in the last game of the series. no more information than that..

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Re: Yuber and Pesmerga - Overhyped

Postby Night » Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:41 am

Ah that's cool. So is there still a possibility that their conflict won't be part of the overall Suikoden storyline. Unlikely, but still a chance.
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Re: Yuber and Pesmerga - Overhyped

Postby Twelve » Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:44 pm

I highly doubt that Pesmerga will ever be the Tenkai Star in a Suikoden game, but...

The Suikoden developers seem to be fans of creating big secrets, but are somewhat inconsistent in their execution. Although Jeane was hyped a lot by Suikoden fans, I brushed it off as some crazy Japanese fan-service thing...until Suikoden V, when her dialogue with Zerase made me reconsider my stance on her importance. The question is: did they have her "big secret" planned from the start, or did they make it up as they went along? Did they have to give her a bigger role because she started popping up in the timeline in ways that didn't make sense (unlike Viki)?

Past inconsistencies in the game make me question how much staff members have thought through character development. Yuber and Pesmerga have been missing from the past few games, and you have to wonder why. Are they being dropped in favor of more interesting storylines? Are Suikoden games shifting towards a reality less-directed by god-like characters?

Unfortunately, as others have mentioned, the developers haven't provided any evidence to the contrary... Personally I was heartbroken when Pesmerga went missing after Suikoden II. If neither Yuber nor Pesmerga are revived in the next Suikoden, I really will begin to question their significance. The developers can't expect to build up character development on two characters in three games, drop them for another three or four, and expect gamers to comprehend those characters when they pop back up again (unless: 1. they provide all the backstory during their return, and/or 2. they expect that players have stayed true and played ALL of the games leading up to that point).

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Re: Yuber and Pesmerga - Overhyped

Postby EternalOnslaught » Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:51 pm

Well, the title says it all. It is overhyped to an extent, But those Jeane theories take the cake. But Twelve does make a good point by how Jeane's role seemed more important after the fifth installment, instead of being a fanboy topic. I hope the same happens to Yuber & Pesmerga and whoever else might be invole in the destined conflict. And to put some of those whacky theories out with a bang(though some of them are amusing).
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Re: Yuber and Pesmerga - Overhyped

Postby Archer » Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:58 am

I think they're using Pesmerga sparingly as to not give the impression Suikoden is nothing but an elaborate way to portray Pesmerga's pursuit of Yuber. Considering the mess Yuber leaves everywhere I'm finding myself questioning Pesmerga's ability to chase rather than their significance. Its like Pesmerga is a stupid cartoon hunter with a gun and Yuber is the wise cracking rabbit. They're obviously going to have a huge fan following because what rabid fanboy doesnt like black knights and swords? Its just another one of many plot threads that keep people coming back.

I think when Murayama left they probably did scrap most of his ideas and I wouldn't be surprised if they just make up the ending for Pesmerga and Yuber as they go along. They could even be looking around at the huge fan speculation for ideas, who knows? Theres just something unwholesome about a plot line being started by one person, heading in a positive direction and then being handled by someone else and its future laying completely uncertain as to how competant they will be in executing the idea. There will be a LOT of judgemental eyes on this subplot I think, considering how much they have been overhyped but then what can you expect when you say they have ties to the ending? I'm starting to wonder when we'll see this ending and when konami have decided the franchise has made them enough money. xD

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Re: Yuber and Pesmerga - Overhyped

Postby Sonic » Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:18 pm

Twelve wrote:I highly doubt that Pesmerga will ever be the Tenkai Star in a Suikoden game, but...


Well, Pesmerga can't be the Tenkai star because he's already the Teni star. So your doubt is very reasonable.

I'm not koo-koo-krazy for Yuber and Pesmerga, but I would like to see more being done with the characters. Suikoden III signified a great advance in the development of Yuber's character (sort of... his character still basically amounts to "murder whatever I feel like") and Pesmerga being missing seemed particularly odd in that title. And we haven't seen hide nor hair of either of them since. The characters themselves aren't spectacularly fascinating, but if you start a subplot thread, we as an audience would appreciate seeing where it's going.
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Re: Yuber and Pesmerga - Overhyped

Postby Vermillion.Twilight » Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:07 pm

Falenan_descent wrote:You know, I don't believe any of this Yuber/Pesmerga Hogwash. (Yes, I just used Hogwash.) I think they're overhyped characters that aren't all that important. If you look at the recent effects of runes on people, we know that runes can make you go crazy. Right? Well, Yuber has the Eightfold rune. What if that just makes him crazy? Notice that Yuber and Pesmerga both wear the same knight's outfit. What if they're just from an order of knights and Yuber one day found this magical Eightfold Rune that made him go psycho. And, now Pesmerga is out to bring him down.

And yeah, I know Yuber is thought to be "summoned". Well, its entirely feasable that Yuber can still be summoned due to the Eightfold rune. It may have certain effects we're unaware of. I'm pretty sure, though. That wherever Yuber and Pesmerga are from...they're part of an order of Knights that protect that realm.

Discuss kthnx.



First off
Any true rune bearer cant be overhyped.

Yuber has had more of a effect on the series then any single main character in the game. (Mostly since he took part in 3 suikodens) Not to mention his time with Windy.

Also
They arnt human
So your "Knights of the order" theory is wrong.
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