Old character information?

[YouKnowYouGeddoe]

I ran across a web page with some interesting S3-er infomation (I think it may have been Japanese; Google automatically translated it) a few weeks ago, and when I went back to look for it again, it was gone. However, it provided some interesting tidbits of which not everyone may be aware that flesh out some of the more minor characters:

[spoiler]Apparently, Jefferson (title assigning dude) occupied a position in Tinto comparable to Freed's in South Window: He commanded troops during the southern campaign to take Kasim's territory.

Duke is indeed Kreutz's son, as has been widely speculated.

Flik and Geddoe fought personally during the Higheast Rebellion.[/spoiler]

And, perhaps most interesting:

[spoiler]Queen is not Jillia Blight, but the developers originally intended for her to be.[/spoiler]

Anyway, maybe this is all common knowledge, but I found it surprising, so I figured I'd throw it up here for all to see/comment on/marvel at.

YKYG

[Jowy Atreides]

It's too bad you can't find the page again; I'd really like to know if this information is real or not.

Do you remember if anything was said about the fight between Geddoe and Flik? A surprising end to Flik's character would be if he was killed by Geddoe. It'd be even more interesting if Viktor was killed by Geddoe too, since I can only imagine that where's there a Flik, there's a Viktor nearby.

But, we'll probably never know.

[Raftrider]

Whoa, that would have been sweet of Queen was Jillia.

[YouKnowYouGeddoe]

Again, my memory is hazy, but I think the wording seemed to imply that one of them (Flik or Viktor) didn't make it out of Higheast in one piece. It's certainly plausible that Geddoe could have been responsible for this. I wonder how many Harmonian, HSFDF, and Highland-traditionalist troops took part in that conflict.

This could also be the poor Google translation at work.

[Nemesis]

Viktor/FLik DIEd?!!!! WHAT?!!!

[Buff]

he never said that they died.he just said one of them didn't make it out of the higheast in one piece.meaning that 1 got wounded pretty badly but no death.

[YouKnowYouGeddoe]

Sorry, I should have been clearer about that - the implication is indeed that one of them died. I hesitate to take it as canon information.

Although, one wonders: What's going to happen to Flik and Viktor? Are they going to get old and decrepit and just retire? Are they going out in a blaze of glory (a duel with Geddoe would qualify)? Flik is a child of the Warriors' Village - I have a hard time imagining him hanging up Odessa++ and chilling in a rocking chair. I suppose that might be the most poetic thing, though, to exchange his sword for a plowshare (or rocking chair) a la Kirke.

[Vextor]

This info probably comes from some Japanese fanfic site or something. I never heard of it personally, and I do comb through every official publication.

[Crowetron]

If Flik & Viktor ever are killed in battle, it's almost certain to be because of one of Viktor's crazy stunts, I'm sure of it. Of course, I like to think they stumble across True Runes at some point and keep causing trouble forever...

...but I'm a fanboy, so what do I know?

[Raww Le Klueze]

You know, making crap up and then claiming that it comes from a Japanese site that convienently can't be found again isn't really going to fly on a board for a site that specialises in Japanese info on the series.

[Vermillion.Twilight]

So Flik fought Geddoe?

Well this is how it would play out...

Geddoe has lived a long long time...and finished what he promised to do in S3.
He also kinda related to Luc's mindset yet found his methods wrong...Geddoe simply goes from battle to battle in hope someone can best him (Theory)

Flik (Blue Lightning)
Is a much better swordsman then Geddoe is...and it wouldint suprise me if he won and then geddoe gave up the True Lightning rune to him.

This scenario is very good for the series...having Flik come back several times due to immortality.

Flik is much more popular then Geddoe so I doubt Konami would have him lose.

[rhombus]

So Flik fought Geddoe?

Well this is how it would play out...

Geddoe has lived a long long time...and finished what he promised to do in S3.
He also kinda related to Luc's mindset yet found his methods wrong...Geddoe simply goes from battle to battle in hope someone can best him (Theory)

Flik (Blue Lightning)
Is a much better swordsman then Geddoe is...and it wouldint suprise me if he won and then geddoe gave up the True Lightning rune to him.

This scenario is very good for the series...having Flik come back several times due to immortality.

Flik is much more popular then Geddoe so I doubt Konami would have him lose.

What proof is there that Flik is any better of a swordsman than Geddoe? Keep in mind that comparing plot power based on gameplay standards is always silly and irrelevant (like some characters who are "masters" may not be great in game battles, while seemingly random people can turn out super godly), but even based on those standards, Geddoe is still pretty comparable as a swordsman. Based on his plot skill as a swordsman, Geddoe is obviously highly skilled and respected, as he's more or less regarded as the strongest leader of the strongest unit among the HSFDF, and that's without the True Lightning Rune, since no one even knew he had it and he didn't use it.

I also disagree that he's looking for someone to defeat him... while I do agree that he suffers from the rune, I think he views it as a self-sacrificing duty. Despite his quietness and gruffness, he seems to be very compassionate and merciful, and I think he wants to keep the rune so that no one else has to suffer bearing it. He also seeks to continue protecting people, as after the war he goes back to serve normally in the HSFDF.

[Vermillion.Twilight]

What proof? I have two games of proof...
Geddoe is very avg...his melee power is quite underpowered
His magic stats are avg.

Only his rune makes him decent.

If you think Flik would lose in a swordfight, your crazy.

I dont really know why you think he is even the best fighter in his own unit.
By game standards Joker and even Queen have more potential.

Conversly if you compare Chris and Geddoe runes aside
Max out skills
Geddoe wouldint last 3 turns vs even her.

You have to consider gameplay standards.

Masters as you call them always have a semi high starting level
Thus making them superior in the current Suikoverse...That has nothing to do with random characters being better since they usually require leveling which represents practice.

[rhombus]

What proof? I have two games of proof...
Geddoe is very avg...his melee power is quite underpowered
His magic stats are avg.

Only his rune makes him decent.

If you think Flik would lose in a swordfight, your crazy.

I dont really know why you think he is even the best fighter in his own unit.
By game standards Joker and even Queen have more potential.

Conversly if you compare Chris and Geddoe runes aside
Max out skills
Geddoe wouldint last 3 turns vs even her.

You have to consider gameplay standards.

Masters as you call them always have a semi high starting level
Thus making them superior in the current Suikoverse...That has nothing to do with random characters being better since they usually require leveling which represents practice.

THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T USE GAMEPLAY AS A MEASURE OF CHARACTER STRENGTH. You made my point for me. Geddoe IS the most powerful member of his unit as far as the Suikoverse is concerned, even if Joker and Queen are stronger gameplay wise. Many supreme and master characters, like the top generals, queen's knights, etc. are outclassed statistically and gameplay-wise by characters who, canon-wise aren't as strong in the Suikoverse. You just can't use stats and gameplay to justify the "real" strength of a character. Based on what we know about Geddoe, he is one of the strongest fighters around, as is Flik.

[RangerDeon]

you can make whomever the strongest. It depends on how you play.

Look at me, I took Luc to my final fight on Suikoden 1.