What happened between Zepon and Yuber before Suikoden III?

Basel · Post by **Basel** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:29 am

What happened between Zepon and Yuber before the envents of Suikoden III take place? During Luc chapters, Yuber mentions that he has an old score to settle with Chief Zepon.

Post by **Oppenheimer** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 9:42 am

I don't know the answer but I'd like to add to that question if you don't mind, Basel. Geddoe also seems to have a connection to Zepon. Do we know specifically what that is either?

ShardStar · Post by **ShardStar** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:48 am

Something happened possibly in the first FC war I would think. Geddoe probably knew Zepon during that time and Yuber might have been summoned or used in that time as well.

Jowy Atreides · Post by **Jowy Atreides** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:48 pm

Although Zepon and Geddoe might've met somewhere else, they more than likely met during the First Fire Bringer War.

With Yuber and Zepon, it simply isn't known. I personally think they met during the First Fire Bringer War also; Yuber fighting for Harmonia, for whatever reason.

Moonbay · Post by **Moonbay** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:58 am

Jowy Atreides wrote:Although Zepon and Geddoe might've met somewhere else, they more than likely met during the First Fire Bringer War.

With Yuber and Zepon, it simply isn't known. I personally think they met during the First Fire Bringer War also; Yuber fighting for Harmonia, for whatever reason.

We know the reason Yuber fights--he likes chaos. And Harmonia likes to bring about chaos.

But is it me--or does Yuber not like to be betrayed or left behind when things get tough? Yet--he sees no problem in doing that to others?

Basel · Post by **Basel** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:35 am

Moonbay wrote: We know the reason Yuber fights--he likes chaos. And Harmonia likes to bring about chaos.

Well, that is true for Yuber but it is not the case with Harmonia. I don't know that much about Harmonia but from what I've read no one knows the real intentions behind the wars that Harmonia started.

son_michael · Post by **son_michael** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:03 am

actually basel,the reason harmonia starts wars is simple, they want all of the 27 true runes and they will do anything to get them

ShardStar · Post by **ShardStar** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:47 am

I thought Harmonia wanted to bring Order and hence Luc's rant about too much order bringing stagnation.

Moonbay · Post by **Moonbay** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:20 pm

Basel wrote:
Moonbay wrote: We know the reason Yuber fights--he likes chaos. And Harmonia likes to bring about chaos.
Well, that is true for Yuber but it is not the case with Harmonia. I don't know that much about Harmonia but from what I've read no one knows the real intentions behind the wars that Harmonia started.

Any war is chaos.

Yuki Tenkai · Post by **Yuki Tenkai** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:40 am

Jowy Atreides wrote:Although Zepon and Geddoe might've met somewhere else, they more than likely met during the First Fire Bringer War.

With Yuber and Zepon, it simply isn't known. I personally think they met during the First Fire Bringer War also; Yuber fighting for Harmonia, for whatever reason.

Why would Yuber all of a sudden be working for Harmonia? He was still working for Windy. The First Fire Bringer War was before the Gate Rune War.

Jowy Atreides · Post by **Jowy Atreides** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:33 am

Clearly, I don't know the answer to the question. I would've just said "Yuber fought for Harmonia for _____ reason." if I had known. It fits with his fued with Zepon, so I mentioned it. Windy seems to have searched all over the place for the Soul Eater, so it wouldn't be very smart of her to not search within Harmonia, a place she knows is searching for True Runes.

demon eye · Post by **demon eye** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:22 pm

It wouldn't be very wise for Windy to go through Harmonia with their methodical slaughter of her clan and all. I think they would have done a number of things to her if they caught whiff of her in Harmonian territory. I mean, they picked up on Sarah's abilities right away and I believe that Windy was quite a bit more powerful than her and really did not choose to hide her abilities and could not do it that well anyway.

But, she did manage to destroy an entire Lycanthrope clan near that area so it is very possible. Besides, Yuber was not always around Windy, Yuber probably only served her when she needed Yuber. It is quite obvious that Yuber had some issues with Zepon, but it does not necessarily have to have anything to do with Harmonia. Yuber seemed to have paraded around the Grasslands for quite awhile. But, I do like the idea of Yuber working for Harmonia. Yuber does seem to always be on their side in every war.

ShardStar · Post by **ShardStar** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:10 pm

Well if Yuber has a score to settle with Zepon then I guess we could make an assumption that Zepon stopped, harmed or hindered him in some way. Yuber definatly doesn't like being defeated in battle and is quite arrogant about his abilities.

It could also be possible that Zepon helped Pesmerga in some way, though what is anybodies guess.

The_Face_of_Death · Post by **The_Face_of_Death** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:34 am

Geddoe works as a mercenary for Harmonia, and has been involved in a lot. He mentions, in his chapters that he has at least some connection with every place he visits, and Yuber just hates basically everybody; obviously something happened, but I don't think there are any clues to figure out the deal between him and Zepon.

MatildaWhiteKnightLeader · Thu Dec 15, 2005 9:33 pm

Zepon was definitely in the first fire bringer war. (probably confirmed in the game somewhere)

So thus Zepon probably kicked Yuber's ass back then. But Zepon became old and with Yuber's immortality from the True rune, the eventual demise started the second firebringer war.