Jeane/Viki theory

Choooo · Post by **Choooo** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:43 pm

Which would be great, but:
The facts related to Jeane a) It doesn't come from a True Rune, b) she's seemingly ageless, and c) she has a true form that humans can't see.

For theory 1: When her character design was revealed in Suikoden V, it specifically pointed out that she was wearing one of those neat little sash things that are usually reserved for Goddess and Angels and other unearthly beings. It wouldn't be the first time this series borrowed ideas from old asian myths.

For theory 2: Cuz, like, this series has NEVER EVER introduced new generic Runes.

For theory 3: All that "I was there but I wasn't there" mess.

deakka · Post by **deakka** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:32 pm

Hello all, first time poster, semi short time reader. I've recently played thru most of the Suikoden series (sans 4), but i've come up with a theory for Viki as far as time frame and her appearances. I believe Viki actually appears in each game as far as numbered order (IE: showing up in 1, then 2, so on and so forth). So her teleportation took her back 150+ years for suikoden 4. The only possible exception to this is her appearance in part 5, the first few lines of dialouge that she has (trying to keep it spoiler free as possible). So it forshadows possibly the next suikoden game being past part III as far as the canon timeline goes, one in where the Queendom of Falena is no more (or a prominent other nation takes control of almost the entire world). In that case, her personal timeline would be 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > future game > 5.

Also, a question, has the blinking rune been defined as being a child of a true rune? (such as dawn/twilight/star/darkness/condemnation). I have this strong suspicion that the blinking rune is an offshoot of the gate rune (traveling in time, simillar in a miniscule amount of ways to traveling thru dimensions), but it's just guess work till Konami decides to give us more of Viki's backstory.

As far as Jeane, i honestly don't expect her true story to be revealed untill the final game in the series. She's just too much of a unique character in the Suikoden universe to be completly understood till the very end. Although the theory that she was the goddess that caused the conflict between Bright Shield and Dark Sword is cute^^ (even if it goes against the given story that there was nothing but darkness, and only sword/shield were born of the tear from the darkness). The theory that she's truely an ugly immortal is more plausible, especially during a certain bath scene in 5 (not sure if that would be considered a spoiler so i'll stop right here).

Crowley_The_Great · Post by **Crowley_The_Great** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:34 am

O.K. so it is definitely confirmed that Jeane does not have a true rune, yet has a "true" form that we haven't seen. Is it possible that Jeane IS infact a true rune, and that's what Koroku saw in Suikoden III??

Night · Post by **Night** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:54 pm

deakka wrote:Hello all, first time poster, semi short time reader. I've recently played thru most of the Suikoden series (sans 4), but i've come up with a theory for Viki as far as time frame and her appearances. I believe Viki actually appears in each game as far as numbered order (IE: showing up in 1, then 2, so on and so forth). So her teleportation took her back 150+ years for suikoden 4. The only possible exception to this is her appearance in part 5, the first few lines of dialouge that she has (trying to keep it spoiler free as possible). So it forshadows possibly the next suikoden game being past part III as far as the canon timeline goes, one in where the Queendom of Falena is no more (or a prominent other nation takes control of almost the entire world). In that case, her personal timeline would be 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > future game > 5.

However, Viki also claims to not know who Lorelai is, whereas if she had appeared in the other Suikodens Gaidens already then they would already be acquainted. So Suikoden V may very well be the first Suikoden that she teleported into, but she must have come from a point in the future. Perhaps?

deakka · Post by **deakka** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:20 pm

Ah, good point^^.

Hmmm, but then again, in part 1, i'm almost positive that Viki has no recollection of Lorelai/Jeane/anyone (unless i'm mistaken, been years since i played Suikoden I). If anyone remembers how Viki appears in part 1 (if it's simillar to the other games where she just kinda teleports to the hero out of nowhere), please fill me in

No wonder Viki seems like an airhead, if i had to deal with all this time frame mumbo jumbo, i'd be acting pretty "blonde" too >.>

Ska_Kitti · Post by **Ska_Kitti** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:13 am

I was reading another suikoden forum when someone posted about this and thought to share it with others.
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You know how certain runes change people differently? Blue Moon Rune makes humans in vampires, the Beast Rune changes people in beasts... what if Jeane is just a side effect of someone holding a Charm Rune? A random um... brunette girl could just find it somehow, take it, then be transformed into a voluptuous white/light pink haired woman. Any thoughts?

Wraith · Post by **Wraith** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:03 am

the Beast Rune changes people in beasts

The Beast Rune dousn't make people into beast as far as we know. If you mean the Beast magic rune then that theory is off.

Ska_Kitti · Post by **Ska_Kitti** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:13 pm

So sue me for misnaming a rune, but the others still apply, hence why it is a THEORY.

Angelis_Taleria · Post by **Angelis_Taleria** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:15 pm

Ska_Kitti wrote:So sue me for misnaming a rune, but the others still apply, hence why it is a THEORY.

Not to make it seem like I'm jumping on you, but when there are two closely named Runes like that, it's best to use the appropriate name so as not to confuse other readers.

On top of that, even theories have to be plausible and that one is not due to lack of convincing justification. Yes, even theories and speculation have to make sense to a certain extent. I know that sounds crazy, but, what can I say.

lucreborn · Post by **lucreborn** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:22 am

Im not saying its a fact but in my mind i am 100 percent sure viki and jeane are the same people as in same people in all of the suikodens. Little viki can easily be explained only because viki is known to time travel so lil viki is from the past possibly.

Jowy Atreides · Post by **Jowy Atreides** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:06 am

Where's the justification?

lucreborn · Post by **lucreborn** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:34 am

I had justification writen in there until a mod deleted it of course. But meh who cares if you played part 5 then you know what im talking about.

Jowy Atreides · Post by **Jowy Atreides** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:37 am

Suikoden 5 doesn't have any justification for your speculation.

tera_majin · Post by **tera_majin** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:06 am

my opinion is that jeane's charm rune makes her ageless, but the charm rune itself is not a true rune.. however, blinking rune enables viki to teleport through time.. that's why she remembered jeane from SIV.. but about viki didn't remember lorelai, it just the same case that you can't remember all people that you have met(human's brain is limited, you know)

Jowy Atreides · Post by **Jowy Atreides** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:43 pm

Agreed: it's never been clarified how someone gains agelessness.