Hugo's Father

Hypotheses for, and analyses of, the various Suikoden characters.
User avatar
Sasarai10
Forum Moderator
Posts: 1741
Joined: Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:18 pm

Re: Hugo's Father

Postby Sasarai10 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:50 pm

How about Geddoe? :?:

I think Viktor or Georg would be impossible...because they were enemies during Dunan Unification Wars,so they didn't have the chance to meet. And if we consider that Hugo is 14 years old,then Lucia became pregnant just a little bit after the war...so his father should be from highland. but he was definetely not Culgan,Seed,Han or Solon because they were dead before Lucia becoming pregnant. Plus he should be around after Jowy becoming king of highland....

So the only people we have left are Leon and.....Yuber. ( :mrgreen: )


Yuber of course could not be able to become a father....so Leon is the only guy we've got left...plus he has black hair

User avatar
Sasarai10
Forum Moderator
Posts: 1741
Joined: Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:18 pm

Re: Hugo's Father

Postby Sasarai10 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:55 pm

EstrangedIX wrote:There's nothing stating that the man was from Highland, or allied with Highland. As suggested by others, even members of Riou's army are possible. I don't think Hugo's blue-green eyes were intended as a clue, but it was mentioned that the black part of his hair was from his father.



Lucia attempted to assasinate Riou...so how one of Riou's men could fall in love with someone who attempted to kill his own leader,since he is honorable as already stated? :?

User avatar
SuikoLove
Posts: 10
Joined: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:01 am

Re: Hugo's Father

Postby SuikoLove » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:53 pm

Sasarai10 wrote:
EstrangedIX wrote:There's nothing stating that the man was from Highland, or allied with Highland. As suggested by others, even members of Riou's army are possible. I don't think Hugo's blue-green eyes were intended as a clue, but it was mentioned that the black part of his hair was from his father.



Lucia attempted to assasinate Riou...so how one of Riou's men could fall in love with someone who attempted to kill his own leader,since he is honorable as already stated? :?


Well, you don't necessarily need 'love' to conceive a child...

User avatar
EstrangedIX
Posts: 324
Joined: Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:30 pm

Re: Hugo's Father

Postby EstrangedIX » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:36 pm

If I remember correctly, she gets to sit in a cell and mysteriously disappeared by the next day. She probably had help escaping. Whether or not it was someone like Viktor, or one of her own, doesn't really matter. The point is that the choices aren't limited to people on Highland's side. And I doubt that there was any violence involved in Hugo's conception, as Lucia seems to think highly of the guy. It could easily just be a random Karayan and not anyone we've ever heard of.
Sent from my Ono-Sendai Cyberspace 7 - Break the ICE

User avatar
Lemmy Claypool
Posts: 1124
Joined: Fri Aug 26, 2005 2:47 pm

Re: Hugo's Father

Postby Lemmy Claypool » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:56 am

Apparently it's somebody we've met before, so it's likely we've heard of them, and it's not just that NPC that guards the dungeon in Suikoden II.

User avatar
killerslime
Posts: 83
Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:22 am
Location: Mt Tigerwolf

Re: Hugo's Father

Postby killerslime » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:56 pm

Playing Suikoden II again today i noticed that Lucia seems quite close to Jowy. She stays to guard him from Riou and Nanami in Greenhill when he asks her to leave and calls him "My king..." in the invasion of Muse. Jowy is the only person who it is even slightly hinted to have a romantic connection with Lucia.

Jowy has dark hair in some pictures while others it looks really light. I'm going to have to say that Hugo's father is most likely to be Jowy. To think he was cheating on poor Jillia the whole time.

User avatar
Aerolithe Lion
Posts: 194
Joined: Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:53 pm

Re:

Postby Aerolithe Lion » Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:30 pm

Wraith wrote:Well what are the facts that we know of Hugo's father?
-Black hair
-Strong man probably
-probably older than her.
-Was in Dunan at the time of the war.

What else?


It is listed that Lucia had Hugo a year after the war ended. However, how timelines go, there's no rounding up. That means from the moment the clock hits new year to one second before the next year ends is the timeframe. That's really two years. Anything could have happened between those points, she could have traveled the world.

Most likely scenario is that since she was the successor to the Karaya clan, she had to go back home as soon as her dealings were done in Suikoden 2. She is a very mature and calculated person, so I doubt she'd allow conception during a heated battle.

Most likely all events leading to Hugo's birth happened in Karaya. So since the father had no dealings in The Karayan hierarchy, and I highly doubt she'd have a child with Beecham or Wyatt and then keep them basically as Hugo's subserviants and never reveal that his father was under his nose the entire time for no particular reason, the father is most likely either a traveller she had a 'fling' with, or dead. I believe she'd easily tell him if he was dead, so then the prior.

Lucia is a very in-control woman. She'd have no problem keeping a secret, even to the extent of barely acknowledging the man who fathered her only child. If it was an understanding between the two that he couldn't stay, or something along those lines.

Now, a lot of the guesses are quite plausible. But how many of them have genuine facts other than generic things like 'timeline fits!' Or 'Hair is black I'm pretty sure'. How many characters have been CONFIRMED to know her outside of the SoD event? I can think of a pretty good one:

Geddoe.

1. During the Fire Bringer War, he wasn't just representing grassland, Thomas' documents say at the time he was FROM grassland. And if it he stuck around Grassland for a short while, this wouldnt exactly be the first non-Karayan True Rune bearer Lucia harbored.

2. He was a great man. Riou, Tir. Can't think of many other characters whose career accomplishment rival Geddoe's (a member of a three true rune triumvirate that basically rounded up a militia and defeated the most powerful nation in the known world.)

3. It is confirmed he knows Lucia, as he has a personal meeting with her, as he did with his friends Zepon and Salome. Could have simply been a political endeavor, but it's a hell of a lot more than any other theory made thusfar. He KNOWS her beyond the battlefield.

4. Black hair, check. Age works, he's ageless, but not too old.

5. Timeline works, Since the firebringer war up until he joined the HSFDF 10 years before S3, he was basically a nomad, as Jimba became after his wife died. Perhaps Jimba replaced Geddoe's post in Karaya. Unlikely, but neat symmetry regardless.

6. If Lucia and Geddoe 'had relations', it's not out of the realm of possibility that they'd stay tight lipped. It seems like Geddoe doesn't care if anyone knows anything about him. How he and Jimba nonchalantly acknowledge each other seemed even more shocking than if Geddoe didn't even say anything to Lucia.

7.Relations to other people in the universe. Other than to her son, do you see Lucia acting anything but diplomatic to ANYONE else? Her best friend Luce, Lucia almost acts as her mother, giving advice, but they don't squeal and go shopping together. The lizards are her friends, but she stays diplomatic around them too. She's calculated in everything she says, but she's chief, she has to be. If the father is a secret, who woul be better at keeping it? And why is it a secret? I'm sure Hugo wouldn't be too thrilled to find out his pop was a Harmonian mercenary.

Geddoe mirrors this personality. Throughout the game Queen pretty much acts like the only character who really KNOWS him, but he doesn't say two words to her beyond the mission at hand. It's only in chapter 3 he opens up his past to 'Wang' that we see any intimate conversations from him. This also shows that he only really knew Joker previous to his members joining the SFDF, as Kidd also figured out Wangs real name, but no one has a clue who Ace or Queen are. So that makes Jimba, Lucia, Zepon, Joker, and Salome as people he's confirmed to personally know. If there were two people in all of suikoden who could keep a little secret like this, few would be more tight lipped than L and G.

8. Could explain another Suikoden mystery. Now I admit this one is fully of my own accord, no facts to base it on. Lucia, by her personality, position, etc, probably wouldn't go around sleeping with a Wan Fu type guy who'd be gone in the morning. So it's likely the father knows he has a child. Now if the father was a 'great man', yet he had to leave, wouldn't you think he'd take steps to ensure his son's upbringing? How else would a Zexen knight be able to live amongst the Karayans unless Lucia's significant other gave his word this was a good man. Why would Jimba join an enemy clan during his midlife crisis unless one of his best friends in the world needed him to protect something?

9.And this is the big one. Geddoe treats everybody the same, much like Lucia, with the exception of her son. Even the people Geddoe spends every day of his life with are in the dark, whereas Joker Ace and Queen squabble like siblings. Except, as Speilman pointed out, he doesn't treat Hugo this way in the manga. He's informative and backs Hugo on his dealings, leading Ace to say 'you act like his father!'

Now, when you play Hugo as the flame champion, Geddoe has more private advice for him. And AGAIN, Ace says, 'You'd think you were his father!' Why would Konami repeat such a meaningless expression, at least up until Murayama left, these were extremely well written games with deep subplots and intertwining characters thought out YEARS in advance.

So why would they blatantly repeat something as foreshadowing as that? And why does Geddoe treat NO other character the way he treats Hugo? Men he's spent every waking hour with for the last decade are shocked by it, and even an old friend like Jimba he simply gives a throwaway line and doesn't say two words to him the rest of his -short- life! This is more than just 'he's got black hair!'
Last edited by Aerolithe Lion on Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Nikisaur
Posts: 459
Joined: Fri Apr 16, 2010 5:26 am
Location: New Zealand

Re: Hugo's Father

Postby Nikisaur » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:43 pm

^ That's actually quite a convincing argument there. I'll keep an eye on those relationships through my next playthrough.
The only thing Suikoden lacks...is dinosaurs.

User avatar
Aerolithe Lion
Posts: 194
Joined: Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:53 pm

Re: Hugo's Father

Postby Aerolithe Lion » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:24 pm

Nikisaur wrote:^ That's actually quite a convincing argument there. I'll keep an eye on those relationships through my next playthrough.


Thank you, and I'm sorry about the Donald Duck quip. I haven't actually played SII yet, but I'm getting around to it.

User avatar
Nikisaur
Posts: 459
Joined: Fri Apr 16, 2010 5:26 am
Location: New Zealand

Re: Hugo's Father

Postby Nikisaur » Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:27 pm

No problem, don't worry about it! And you should, it's the BEST.
The only thing Suikoden lacks...is dinosaurs.

User avatar
Aerolithe Lion
Posts: 194
Joined: Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:53 pm

Re: Hugo's Father

Postby Aerolithe Lion » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:33 am

Nikisaur wrote:No problem, don't worry about it! And you should, it's the BEST.


It'll be pretty hard to top 3, and as most final fantasy games go, the first one you play is usually your favorite.

User avatar
Aerolithe Lion
Posts: 194
Joined: Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:53 pm

Re: Hugo's Father

Postby Aerolithe Lion » Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:46 pm

After reading Kidd's investigations of Hugo and Lucia, I thing it's pretty concrete that conception happened in Highland before she returned to Grassland. I revoke my Geddoe theory.

User avatar
EstrangedIX
Posts: 324
Joined: Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:30 pm

Re: Hugo's Father

Postby EstrangedIX » Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:34 pm

Well, considering that he was involved in the Higheast Rebellion it's still possible since we don't know how long he was there before those events.
Sent from my Ono-Sendai Cyberspace 7 - Break the ICE

User avatar
Aerolithe Lion
Posts: 194
Joined: Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:53 pm

Re: Hugo's Father

Postby Aerolithe Lion » Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:01 pm

During the higheast rebellion he worked for Harmonia, Dunan Unification was before he joined the HFDF

User avatar
EstrangedIX
Posts: 324
Joined: Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:30 pm

Re: Hugo's Father

Postby EstrangedIX » Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:26 pm

That doesn't mean he couldn't have been there though. Not saying that he was, just that it's not impossible. It's actually a pretty good theory.
Sent from my Ono-Sendai Cyberspace 7 - Break the ICE


Return to “Character Theories”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests