Roog.. striking resemblance to Kreutz..

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Roog.. striking resemblance to Kreutz..

Postby rem2905 » Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:56 am

Quote: "A similar group exists in the Falena Queendom using a similar-looking animal as a mount known as Dragon Horses; this group is known as the Feitas Dragon Cavalry." - Suikoden 1 ( This to me even seems to be hinting that they are indeed trying to connect the pieces between Suikoden 5 and Suikoden 1.)

Quote: "A Dragon Knight who loses his or her dragon is cast out from the knighthood until he or she can find a new dragon; given the unusual growing conditions of the dragon eggs, which will rarely hatch outside of the Dragon's Den, the quest to find a new dragon becomes a nearly impossible task, to be sure. Few are ever successful in finding a new dragon." - Suikoden 1

Quote: "Roog travels to Gordius to see if he can figure out the problems, and discovers Godwin infested the place and holds the eggs hostage. Roog and Rahal work to rescue the eggs from the assassins, but only manage to stop Dolph when Nick's bad flute playing makes all the dragon horses scream in protest. The resulting sound is enough to make even Dolph stop in his tracks." - Suikoden 5

Please note their striking similar appearance in their character portraits. Also please read both biographies of both Roog and Kreutz, and tell me if this is a possibility that they are the very same person. I'm almost certain they are.

Kreutz/Roog is a friend of Joshua Levenheit who is the holder of the Dragon Rune which allows dragons to exist in the land. I would have to say they are friends, other than the fact that they faught together in the succession war, because of Kreutz/Roog's fondness of dragons from being in the previous Dragon Cavalry of Feitas. It almost seems like Kreutz/Roog was given Lance because of the ability that allowed Dragons to exist in the world from Joshua's Rune. There's too much of a strong connection and coincidence here that I would think that they are not the same person.

Kreutz/Roog probably loses his dragon Lance after the events of Suikoden 5 somewhere in the timeline but he still believes in the power of the Dragon Rune which Joshua Levenheit held onto, and still holds true to the dragons being allowed to roam and exist in the world which is why you see him say this phrase in the second attachment below. He is speaking of Lance when he says it. I think Suikoden 5 was made, and they really created a Kreutz out of Roog but it just isn't noted anywhere in the games.

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Re: Roog.. striking resemblance to Kreutz..

Postby Antimatzist » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:47 am

Your first quote is nowhere in the first Suikoden.

Kreutz fought in the Succession War which took place in 426. The events of Suikoden V take place in 449. So impossible.

You never see Kreutz being fond of dragons.

We don't even know if Dragon Horses and Dragons are somehow related and if the first could live without the Dragon Rune.

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Re: Roog.. striking resemblance to Kreutz..

Postby sticky-runes » Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:53 am

Roog is the Chimou Star
Kreutz is the Tenku Star

It's normally a good idea to look on the 108 stars guide provided on this very site before one goes posting theories about two characters being the same.

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Re: Roog.. striking resemblance to Kreutz..

Postby Sasarai10 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:34 am

Antimatzist wrote:Your first quote is nowhere in the first Suikoden.

Kreutz fought in the Succession War which took place in 426. The events of Suikoden V take place in 449. So impossible.

You never see Kreutz being fond of dragons.

We don't even know if Dragon Horses and Dragons are somehow related and if the first could live without the Dragon Rune.


They might be related somehow indeed,but Kreutz isn't Roog for sure. Sounds very extreme to me.

Kreutz was just hiding in Dragon's Den (like Fuma),he wasn't fond of dragons.

sticky-runes wrote:Roog is the Chimou Star
Kreutz is the Tenku Star

It's normally a good idea to look on the 108 stars guide provided on this very site before one goes posting theories about two characters being the same.


But what about Roy/Nadir and 2 Vickis? :wink:

By the way there's another theory of Kreutz being Duke's father from S3. Sounds more possible to me.

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Re: Roog.. striking resemblance to Kreutz..

Postby Antimatzist » Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:25 pm

By the way there's another theory of Kreutz being Duke's father from S3. Sounds more possible to me.

That doesn't sound possible and is only based on their weapon names (it's also one of the "just for fun, this is not meant to be taken seriously" theories by suikox). By the same logic, Genshu is one of their brothers, he has the same weapon name as both.

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Re: Roog.. striking resemblance to Kreutz..

Postby sticky-runes » Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:45 pm

Here's an idea - how about we discuss characters for who they are and their unique personalities and relationships and how they feel about the struggles they are going through in each game, instead of coming up with far fetched BS theories of what other characters they might be/obviously are not.

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Re: Roog.. striking resemblance to Kreutz..

Postby Sasarai10 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:27 pm

Antimatzist wrote:
By the way there's another theory of Kreutz being Duke's father from S3. Sounds more possible to me.

That doesn't sound possible and is only based on their weapon names (it's also one of the "just for fun, this is not meant to be taken seriously" theories by suikox). By the same logic, Genshu is one of their brothers, he has the same weapon name as both.


But Genshu's weapon is different isn't it?

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Re: Roog.. striking resemblance to Kreutz..

Postby Antimatzist » Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:09 am

Sasarai10 wrote:
Antimatzist wrote:
By the way there's another theory of Kreutz being Duke's father from S3. Sounds more possible to me.

That doesn't sound possible and is only based on their weapon names (it's also one of the "just for fun, this is not meant to be taken seriously" theories by suikox). By the same logic, Genshu is one of their brothers, he has the same weapon name as both.


But Genshu's weapon is different isn't it?

And what makes you say Kreutz' and Duke's are the same? To me, they look very different. They only share the same name and that they are some kind of broadsword.

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Re: Roog.. striking resemblance to Kreutz..

Postby Sasarai10 » Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:49 am

Now i noticed Genshu's and Duke's weapon are

Denta -> Odenta -> Kamui

Kreutz's weapon is

Denta -> Big Denta -> Kamui

But i'm pretty sure Kreutz has a 2H sword like Duke. It's just graphics that it makes it look smaller

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Re: Roog.. striking resemblance to Kreutz..

Postby s21 » Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:34 pm

Antimatzist wrote:
By the way there's another theory of Kreutz being Duke's father from S3. Sounds more possible to me.

That doesn't sound possible and is only based on their weapon names (it's also one of the "just for fun, this is not meant to be taken seriously" theories by suikox). By the same logic, Genshu is one of their brothers, he has the same weapon name as both.


I thought that's the only theory from suikox that can actually be taken seriously

The weapon names and the Toran reference seems like a really plausible explanation to support the speculation

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Re: Roog.. striking resemblance to Kreutz..

Postby Antimatzist » Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:14 pm

Sasarai10 wrote:Now i noticed Genshu's and Duke's weapon are

Denta -> Odenta -> Kamui

Kreutz's weapon is

Denta -> Big Denta -> Kamui

But i'm pretty sure Kreutz has a 2H sword like Duke. It's just graphics that it makes it look smaller

They are the same in Japanese (with the difference that Genshu's is written i Katakana? Weird). And the swords look different, not smaller.

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Re: Roog.. striking resemblance to Kreutz..

Postby Sasarai10 » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:21 pm

s21 wrote:
Antimatzist wrote:
By the way there's another theory of Kreutz being Duke's father from S3. Sounds more possible to me.

That doesn't sound possible and is only based on their weapon names (it's also one of the "just for fun, this is not meant to be taken seriously" theories by suikox). By the same logic, Genshu is one of their brothers, he has the same weapon name as both.


I thought that's the only theory from suikox that can actually be taken seriously

The weapon names and the Toran reference seems like a really plausible explanation to support the speculation


Also Gau is a Kobold...and Kobolds appeared only in Toran and Dunan region.

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Re: Roog.. striking resemblance to Kreutz..

Postby Falcon Fencer » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:20 am

Besides the name similarity of weapons it's just very unlikely that they are the same person or even related, Kreutz was fighting in the Succession War a few years before V and I personally don't see the physical simularity at all between Roog and Kreutz to even suggest they are the same person short of them being Male and having the same named weapons (which happens on a number of occasions in Suikoden).

Weapon names are the same or even weapons that are supposed to be the same end up turning into seemingly new weapons like Lorelai having Kirke's Axe but in Suikoden 2 her weapon looks more like a polearm or spear. Maybe they just like reusing weapon names?


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