Mathiu Silverberg, Bad stratagist or the worst stratagist

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Re: Mathiu Silverberg, Bad stratagist or the worst stratagist

Postby JanusThePaladin » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:10 pm

According to Mathui yes. But you and your team made it thru the fortress pretty easily at the beginning of the game.

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Re: Mathiu Silverberg, Bad stratagist or the worst stratagist

Postby Antimatzist » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:50 pm

But you and your team made it thru the fortress pretty easily at the beginning of the game.

It's different then; you flee and Ain Guide (?) just let's you through because you're the son of one of his comrades. Later on, when it goes to defending the Emperor, he even sacrifices himself. Additionally, you need an army big enough to lay siege on Gregminster...

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Re: Mathiu Silverberg, Bad stratagist or the worst stratagist

Postby JanusThePaladin » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:21 am

Really? infiltrating the castle with a group of 6 doesnt seem much like a Siege to me.... maybe i should read more war books?

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Re: Mathiu Silverberg, Bad stratagist or the worst stratagist

Postby Antimatzist » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:05 am

JanusThePaladin wrote:Really? infiltrating the castle with a group of 6 doesnt seem much like a Siege to me.... maybe i should read more war books?

Wasn't there a Battle at gregminster after Shasarazade? I don't quite remember, but I think there were still 20.000 SME Soldiers around the capital; sneaking in would be a problem...

EDIT: Ah, yeah, there was:
http://gensopedia.duefiumi.com/index.php?title=Battle_of_Gregminster

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Re: Mathiu Silverberg, Bad stratagist or the worst stratagist

Postby JanusThePaladin » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:00 pm

But again, a battle is not a siege. A siege is to surround with your forces and lie in wait until the city's resources dry up. Given the state of Gregminster, the only people there seemed to be soldiers, not citizens, and they had a massive garden ontop of the castle. So a siege probably would not have been effective.

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Re: Mathiu Silverberg, Bad stratagist or the worst stratagist

Postby Antimatzist » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:31 pm

JanusThePaladin wrote:But again, a battle is not a siege. A siege is to surround with your forces and lie in wait until the city's resources dry up. Given the state of Gregminster, the only people there seemed to be soldiers, not citizens, and they had a massive garden ontop of the castle. So a siege probably would not have been effective.

Sorry, English is not my mother language and Siege was the most appropriate word I could think of ;) I just wnated to say that you need a huge amount of soldiers to attack Gregminster.

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Re: Mathiu Silverberg, Bad stratagist or the worst stratagist

Postby JanusThePaladin » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:50 pm

that is very true, or a great deal of magic. The question arises of how would Mathui have countered the 100,000 soldiers in the imperial army if it werent for Leknaat and Joshua's runes?

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Re: Mathiu Silverberg, Bad stratagist or the worst stratagist

Postby Antimatzist » Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:16 pm

JanusThePaladin wrote:that is very true, or a great deal of magic. The question arises of how would Mathui have countered the 100,000 soldiers in the imperial army if it werent for Leknaat and Joshua's runes?

I guess that no one could forsee that... so Mathiu would have been planless :D

That rises the question why Windy did not simply cast 30.000 monsters at Toran castle...

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Re: Mathiu Silverberg, Bad stratagist or the worst stratagist

Postby exo » Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:11 pm

Antimatzist wrote:
JanusThePaladin wrote:that is very true, or a great deal of magic. The question arises of how would Mathui have countered the 100,000 soldiers in the imperial army if it werent for Leknaat and Joshua's runes?

I guess that no one could forsee that... so Mathiu would have been planless :D

That rises the question why Windy did not simply cast 30.000 monsters at Toran castle...

Maybe there is range limit where you can summon them...
Toran Castle is after all, in the middle of a huge lake...
And if she tries to get closer by ship, the Liberation Army could've stop her before she reaches the castle, maybe...

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Re: Mathiu Silverberg, Bad stratagist or the worst stratagist

Postby JanusThePaladin » Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:23 am

Its odd that toran castle is in the middle of a lake, yet you fight Teo's soldiers on dry land....

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Re: Mathiu Silverberg, Bad stratagist or the worst stratagist

Postby exo » Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:43 am

@Janus:
Hmm, you're right...
The map shows that the castle is quite some ways in the middle of the lake...
But maybe the Liberation Army is just fast enough to confront Teo in land...
S1 is really technologically challenged, maybe its difficult at that era to design naval battle like in S5, maybe...

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Re: Mathiu Silverberg, Bad stratagist or the worst stratagist

Postby snakebite105 » Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:45 am

Well if you think about the revolutionary war for example the 2 battleing factions would meet up on on a line and charge each other. It looks the same for Suikoden 1.
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Re: Mathiu Silverberg, Bad stratagist or the worst stratagist

Postby JanusThePaladin » Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:54 pm

Strategically speaking though, there really should have been no necessity of meeting Teo on dry land. He would have had to commission several boats in order to attack lake toran, and using Snakey's fire arrows you could have simply lit the ships on fire as they approached, causing the soldiers to drown in their heavy armor. Not a very smart move Mathiu

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Re: Mathiu Silverberg, Bad stratagist or the worst stratagist

Postby snakebite105 » Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:44 pm

The cavlrey I doubt would have gone into the water since their main strength is their armored horses. I also don't think using the fire spears in any large capacity would have worked out very well on water to big of a chance of burning your boat. Only in smaller units with specific goals quickly lighting ships then getting away.

Teo's men would have been killed alot faster if they'd gone to sea.
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Re: Mathiu Silverberg, Bad stratagist or the worst stratagist

Postby JanusThePaladin » Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:14 pm

Exactly my point! I believe the entire point of taking Toran Castle was for the easily defendable position. But if you HAVE to meet your opponent on land, you lose that advantage.


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