Big Hole

kelvingarinkz · Post by **kelvingarinkz** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:08 am

Big Hole is an Armes Ruins ... i get this info from suikosource.com

Does anyone realize that outside the ruins in the Big Hole, there are these wall painting ... or relics ... or anything you call them .. in egyptians
If I'm not wrong, they form cleopatra-look-alike figure ... And also the boss Sheepeesca ... It is obviously an egyptian monster

Remember Raura from s2 and HortezVII from s3 ? Raura is related to Jeane and HortezVII since he is Raura's son, he then has high possiblity to be related to Jeane also

Don't you think Raura and HortezVII's outfits are very similar to egyptians ?

So the Big Hole is also related to Raura and HortezVII ... and also since they are related to Jeane who 'knows' the ruins pretty well

And also about HortezVII ... If I can recall correctly, he carries a staff with a serpent head on it ... That is similar to what Levi's weapon is. And since the serpent-head staff allows Levi to communicate with Byakuren ... Don't you think HortezVII can also talk to Byakuren ?

Byakuren then from the above speculation is related to this egyptian-look-alike society [Raura, HortezVII and maybe Jeane ]
In s5, Byakuren lives in Ceras Lake and guards the Sindar ruin
If we cross-refer to s2, the Sindar ruin behind White Deer Inn, there is a two-headed serpent which also guards it

The "formation" of the Big Hole is veyr mysterious too. The Godwin soldier outside the hole says something like it suddenly appears such a hole after an event which I can't remember

Just some info to add, the age,origin and past of Jeane, Raura and Eresh is totally unknown. As for HortezVII, suikosource.com also states his father and that's all.

My questions :
Is Armes Sindarin ? [ HortezVII related to Byakuren who is related to Sindar ]
Are Raura and HortezVII from Armes ? [ both are related to Jeane who is related to Armes Ruin ]

Post by **patapi** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:25 am

Old Armes and the Sindar are two separate civilisations.

Also, it'd also be interesting to note the on-going Egyptian theme used for the Kingdom of Obel, which may or may not have anything to do with Old Armes.

kelvingarinkz · Post by **kelvingarinkz** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:00 am

used in Obel ? ....

Chimaera · Post by **Chimaera** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:35 am

The Kingdom of Obel is part of the backdrop for Suikoden IV, and there are 3 stars of destiny that you recruit from the Obel Ruins near the castle if I recall correctly.

kelvingarinkz · Post by **kelvingarinkz** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:52 am

but the Obel Ruin does not contain this egyptian atmoshpere ...

Night · Post by **Night** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:11 pm

And Jeane isn't related to Raura is she? I thought they just knew each other.

Crowley_The_Great · Post by **Crowley_The_Great** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:31 pm

I beleieve it's said that they know each other from a past experience.......whatever that means.

Psi Yamaneko · Post by **Psi Yamaneko** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:03 pm

I definitely noticed the Egyptian theme in Big Hole and thought of Raura and Hortez VII.

I don't know what the connection might be, though, if there is one at all.

kelvingarinkz · Post by **kelvingarinkz** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:37 am

strange enough that this is the only ruins that contain egyptian theme

Night · Post by **Night** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:16 pm

Crowley_The_Great wrote:I beleieve it's said that they know each other from a past experience.......whatever that means.

I think it was said that Jeane taught Raura the secret of scroll-making. Whatever it was, however, I think we can rule out any kind of family relation.

Magnumkiller · Post by **Magnumkiller** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:01 pm

And about how the hole was created, Levi says he did it by using magic. According to everyone he is a great mage, just doesn't show it.

On a side note, who was the mage person on Suikoden 4?

Psi Yamaneko · Post by **Psi Yamaneko** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:22 pm

Magnumkiller wrote:And about how the hole was created, Levi says he did it by using magic. According to everyone he is a great mage, just doesn't show it.

On a side note, who was the mage person on Suikoden 4?

I used Ted as my whacking-magic user. Was there a straight-up "mage"?

Kirin · Post by **Kirin** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:46 pm

The only definitive mages I can think of in IV would be Warlock (who of course was too absorbed in rune cannons to be much interested in general magery) and Maxine, who was a good combat mage, though she didn't make a big deal out of being "the best mage around" or anything like the other characters we're comparing them to.

Post by **patapi** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:51 am

Warlock has Levi's star in S4.

Other pure mages in the game include Konrad, Maxine, Katarina, Pablo, Jeane, Viki.

Magnumkiller · Post by **Magnumkiller** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:48 pm

Thanks for that. Yeah I know Ted was good, he was a must in my party, but he is 'overpowered' like Zerase.

I guess I never used any mage besides Ted and just took my good fighters with me.