spoilers! References to Previous Suikodens?

Post by **Oppenheimer** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 3:16 pm

Wow, that's so neat. I wish I had a save point right near there. Well, it's yet more incentive to play it again

Since my wish was granted about seeing him in the game, now I wish I could play as him in the game. . . anyone do that? Just kidding. I'll just go play some Suikoden I again.

Edit: I don't know how people screen print games, but if anyone ever does get to that part and wants to screen print good old Milich for me I'd appreciate it (that'd be great wallpaper).

Rune Traverse · Post by **Rune Traverse** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 12:57 am

I haven't finished V all the way through yet - curse my 'rents being home and the addictive fishing game - but I've found a couple references to IV. Specifically, the Book of Condemnation. When you select the orb in your inventory (or the rune on the character's rune screen if you've already attached it) it says something like "spells derived from the Rune of Punishment." I know it's not a True Rune, because obviously you can take it off and put it on different characters. Still, maybe someone created it with the same principle as the Flowing / Mother Earth / etc. Runes?

Also, if you speak to the townswoman on the upper floor of the Great Hot Springs Inn in Yashuna, she'll mention she wants to take a trip to the Island Nations and see the Kingdom of Obel. I did it during Alhazred's recruitment quest, but she might say the same thing at other times, not sure.

As a sidenote, the best question EVER: Zweig, when Vicky asks where she is.

"How can you not know what country this is?"

Ooooooh, there are so many reasons. xDDDD

son_michael · Post by **son_michael** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:14 am

Rune Traverse wrote:I haven't finished V all the way through yet - curse my 'rents being home and the addictive fishing game - but I've found a couple references to IV. Specifically, the Book of Condemnation. When you select the orb in your inventory (or the rune on the character's rune screen if you've already attached it) it says something like "spells derived from the Rune of Punishment." I know it's not a True Rune, because obviously you can take it off and put it on different characters. Still, maybe someone created it with the same principle as the Flowing / Mother Earth / etc. Runes?

Also, if you speak to the townswoman on the upper floor of the Great Hot Springs Inn in Yashuna, she'll mention she wants to take a trip to the Island Nations and see the Kingdom of Obel. I did it during Alhazred's recruitment quest, but she might say the same thing at other times, not sure.

As a sidenote, the best question EVER: Zweig, when Vicky asks where she is.

"How can you not know what country this is?"

Ooooooh, there are so many reasons. xDDDD

there's ALOT of references to 4, chisato's puppet show,going into island nations territory, rune cannon sidequest to recruit yahr and nelis,rune of condemnation and the "Lino En Kuldez" ship thats docked in Nirva Island

and yes the rune of condemnation is born from the rune of puishment, it is equivalent to a 2nd tier rune, example would be a rage rune

Rune Traverse · Post by **Rune Traverse** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:19 am

Cool beans, I was right. *blinks* Woooow. Apparently, I have a LOT more to play through than I thought I did. Yay for Island Nations references!!

Gah, I so have to finish IV. *doesn't want to, as some of her favorites die* xDD

Atman · Post by **Atman** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:22 am

Something I was wondering about; In Oboro's investigation of Murad, he says,

He and Silva studied medicine under the same teacher, who taught them all about "humanitarian principles," apparently.

The way that's phrased, it seems to me like it's supposed to be referrencing someone, but I can't recall any doctors of the other Suikodens talking about humanitarian principles. Maybe Liukan? Any thoughts?

Sickpup · Post by **Sickpup** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:02 pm

Atman wrote:Something I was wondering about; In Oboro's investigation of Murad, he says,
He and Silva studied medicine under the same teacher, who taught them all about "humanitarian principles," apparently.
The way that's phrased, it seems to me like it's supposed to be referrencing someone, but I can't recall any doctors of the other Suikodens talking about humanitarian principles. Maybe Liukan? Any thoughts?

If he were referring to a past SoD doctor; then Liukan is the only one that could be old enough to have taught Silva and Murad. Huan, Tuta were too young/werent even born yet.

Lourde Incarnadine · Post by **Lourde Incarnadine** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:20 pm

I dunno, though, it seems like humanitarian doctors wouldn't be that uncommon. Besides, Luikan was kind of misanthropic for a humanitarian, though I suppose he could have been less of a hermit in his youth...

Ymber0000 · Post by **Ymber0000** » Thu May 04, 2006 12:08 am

I just discovered this, i dont know if this counts as previous Suikoden though... but...

in the last part where you are tasked to go to Lunas with Haswar and Isato talk to Lucrecia and she will say something about the first time the true fire rune went berserk and killed lots of people when she was still a child...

Wraith · Post by **Wraith** » Thu May 04, 2006 12:20 am

Ymber0000 wrote:I just discovered this, i dont know if this counts as previous Suikoden though... but...

in the last part where you are tasked to go to Lunas with Haswar and Isato talk to Lucrecia and she will say something about the first time the true fire rune went berserk and killed lots of people when she was still a child...

Yes it counts. Lucretia is Karayan after all, and she witnessed a part of the Fire Champion War( Or whatever the name was). She distinclty remembers the rune going out of control( as seen in Suikoden 3).

Alex Delferia · Post by **Alex Delferia** » Thu May 04, 2006 7:32 am

flagantz wrote:
Sickpup wrote: Even more shocking, I think it's the first game to never ever mention the name "Silverberg".
Lelei once mention about Eleanor Silverberg before you go to meet Skald Egan

Well, before Suikoden V, there's only IV, which means, unless we're not shown all --- I'm too lazy to check the Legacies on Suikosource right now... --- the world only knew Eleanor.

Maybe she was smart in their mind, but she never struct me as... impressive. Not in the Shu/Leon way, anyway.

Sickpup · Post by **Sickpup** » Thu May 04, 2006 8:19 am

Zadiel wrote:In the coronation scene where Lym is getting crowned they do a sweep of all the people there.

The last two people there are two foppish looking nobles with blond hair dressed up extravagantly. I took a look at one of them and thought, I know this guy from somewhere.

Im willing to bet it was a much younger Milich.

I'm sorry, but I think those two people were Shula Vayla, and Maha Sparna, the Armes Generals.

Occam Arkitect · Post by **Occam Arkitect** » Thu May 04, 2006 8:35 am

Yes, I can assure everybody too that Milich wasn't shown at the coronation ceremony, only Skald, Sparna and Shula were there, at the left side to be exact.

Post by **Oppenheimer** » Thu May 04, 2006 8:38 am

Aha, that's what I thought. They wouldn't create a new character model for a half second shot.

Wraith · Post by **Wraith** » Thu May 04, 2006 11:53 am

Oppenheimer wrote:Aha, that's what I thought. They wouldn't create a new character model for a half second shot.

Poor you, you must've had your hopes up.

Its stupid that they didn't show Millich. Wasn't a representative of Harmonia there? Would've been cool to see Sasarai.

Occam Arkitect · Post by **Occam Arkitect** » Thu May 04, 2006 1:53 pm

I think they never said anything about a rep. of Harmonia coming down to attend the ceremony. It was just Scarlet moon, Island nations, and countries beside Falena.