Why was Kooluk never mentioned in previous Suikodens?

TheBoundlessDream · Post by **TheBoundlessDream** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:01 pm

Kasim is from the Southlands and where does it say that?

Angelis_Taleria · Post by **Angelis_Taleria** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:15 pm

Kasim Hazil (Tenyu Star)
Origin: Southlands
Position: One of the Six Great Generals
Events: Succession War, Gate Rune Wars
Kasim Hazil is a seasoned General. Known as "Kasim of the Blue Moon," his skill as a swordsman is second only to Georg Prime. He has protected the Senan Area with Moravia as his base, and during the Succession War, he had Mathiu Silverberg as his subordinate officer. During the Gate Rune Wars, he tried to defend Moravia from the Toran Liberation Army, but due to Mathiu's tricks, Jowston attacked from behind and overran Moravia. Defeated, he joined the Toran Liberation Army and fought against Barbarossa in order to convince him to stop fighting. After the Gate Rune Wars, he asked President Lepant to send him north to fight with Jowston; and without rest heads out to another war, this time he is victorious.

~ Suikosource

TheBoundlessDream · Post by **TheBoundlessDream** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:14 am

Hmm.. I didnt remeber seeing that, but Im sure I have , just probably forgotten, thanks.

I always thought he was from the Scarlet Moon Empire, I was under the assumption that you had to be from the same land to be a general.

Lemmy Claypool · Post by **Lemmy Claypool** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:51 am

TheBoundlessDream wrote:Hmm.. I didnt remeber seeing that, but Im sure I have , just probably forgotten, thanks.

I always thought he was from the Scarlet Moon Empire, I was under the assumption that you had to be from the same land to be a general.

Nope. Kiba was a general in Dunan, although to be fair he did defect from his motherland. As was Kasumi/Valeria as a guest general. Heck, even Riou wasn't from the City State yet he led the entire Dunan Army.

Sasarai_valixz · Post by **Sasarai_valixz** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:51 am

*Rhapsodia Spoiler*

If i'm not mistaken...Corselia, the heir of Kooluk Empire did abandonded the empire so that the empire was end....She was searching for Kyril (she's in love with him?!) So that's why Kooluk never mentioned in SI-III...(my own conclusion)

Edit by Oppenheimer: Please mark Rhapsodia spoilers

Black Sword Rune · Post by **Black Sword Rune** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:15 am

If the island nations is another name for them then I think Shu's been there. When he throws that coin into the river he says it's a special coin he uses when he trades with the island countries to the south.

Post by **patapi** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:02 am

"Island Countries" mentioned by Shu was that federation that was formed by the island nations at the end of Suikoden IV. Lino was its first chairman. Kooluk was not part of this.

Black Sword Rune · Post by **Black Sword Rune** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:58 am

I see.

Leon Silverberg · Post by **Leon Silverberg** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:24 am

I also think that kooluk was not mentioned in previous games, because it didn't exist anymore..after the timeline of suikoden tactics kooluk doesn't exist anymore..many cities were "absorbed" by Scarlet Moon and a few cities were left alone..

but i think there is a much easier reason for kooluk being not named in suikoden 1-3 .. it probably hadn't got a name until then or it's story or the idea of kooluk wasn't there until then

Albert Silverberg · Post by **Albert Silverberg** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:11 am

First off, S4 takes place Way before I-III. A very important fact.

Possibilities:

1. It fell apart.

2. It was absorbed by another country.

So, thats why Kooluk was never mentioned before.

Lemmy Claypool · Post by **Lemmy Claypool** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:27 am

You find out what became of Kooluk at the end of Rhapsodia.

Well, not exactly what happened to it, but you're told why the word "Kooluk" was never mentioned in the post-IV/Rhapsodia timeline.

Post by **patapi** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:29 am

The actual details of what happened to Kooluk Empire is presented in Suikoden Tactics. Please visit the respective board sections for more details, or better just play the game.

That, and it's not strange for this series to continue introducing new nations even if they still exist during the "current" era. Suikoden V includes a number of them new ones, as well as another mention of that one particular Dukedom.

Anything futher would be setting spoilers for the two games above, so this ends here.

Yoonathan · Post by **Yoonathan** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:31 pm

It happened 150 years before suikoden 1, people would of just gotten over the fact that it had happen.

reyjusuf · Post by **reyjusuf** » Wed May 03, 2006 3:23 pm

my theory:

SME conquered the Kooluk and they built a new fort where El-Eal was and named it "Pannu Yakuta". Then they gave away the former kooluk cities to different non-human races. The dwarves settled in Merseto and they turned Caleron into their vault. The elves settled in Haruna. The kobolds settled in the border village. The forest was actually the former SME-Kooluk border.

Angelis_Taleria · Post by **Angelis_Taleria** » Wed May 03, 2006 7:03 pm

Hmm, I thought I saw this in another thread, but, meh, your theory is wrong.

If you played Rhapsodia, and actually beat it, you'd know that SME didn't conquer Kooluk, they merely absorbed some of the land while the rest was left to wittle away.

Plus, http://theirstar.com/images/atlas/wm_nrm_lrg.jpg

I know I got that url from someone that posted it earlier about this very same subject <_<