Suikoden Full Map

Questions about the locations mentioned in the series; and those about the backstory not seen in the games.
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Post by Jowy Atreides »

Well, a continent is just a giant landmass, after all. Giant island would be synonymous with that.
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Many thanks for that small image - is there any chance anyone can get a slightly bigger one? I can work off the small one, but small images have been troublesome thus far for my editting purposes.

I'm creating a map not unlike the one at SARS, updated to contain the information from Falena and, as it seems, this world map (as I've now seen it). Seeing this new landmass, I can expand the map to include it... what I have now is based off the map created by John Layfield on SuikoX and quite accurately represents how the game worlds connect together (though the mountains in the sections not shown by the games are sort of gepgraphical guesses based on my knowledge of geography).

A current rough draft version of the map:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/ ... rldmap.jpg

If you guys can provide a better image of that world map, I can probably expand it. And, looking at that map, I need to redo Gaien and the Island Nation's location a bit.
patapi wrote:Actually, Konami once released a map that showed Toran and Dunan in a single map with the Badlands region in between. With the recent release of a world map that combined all maps from the five Suikoden games (four and a spin-off), I've been looking for the former map with no luck.

Anyone care to share a copy of that map?
Konami's new maps seem to contradict that map as well. I'll see if I still have it from all the old Suikonline files when I go through them.
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Well, a continent is just a giant landmass, after all. Giant island would be synonymous with that.
I know, but it's a rather small compared to the northern continent, which seems to have better detailing when it comes to terrains and stuff.

Duke Travio, the updated looks excellent. At least I'm not the only one who considered the little piece of land the north of Falena that was not shown in V's in-game map are no more than mountains that directly border the waters of Gaien and the Island Nations.
Konami's new maps seem to contradict that map as well. I'll see if I still have it from all the old Suikonline files when I go through them.
Contradicting? I thought it was still consistent though. After all, the Badlands could hardly be seen in that small map...
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patapi wrote:Duke Travio, the updated looks excellent. At least I'm not the only one who considered the little piece of land not shown in V's in-game map are no more than mountains that directly border the waters of Gaien and the Island Nations.
First thing when I looked at the Suikoden V map and then the world map provided to me, I immediately said that it had to be either mountains of highlands, mostly unsettable aside from small villages like Caleria and such. It'd be more like a protective wall to the north for Falena, making the place even better to form a nation in. Training in geography and the reasons for nations and cities developing where they have has taught that as a natural response.
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Konami's new maps seem to contradict that map as well. I'll see if I still have it from all the old Suikonline files when I go through them.
Contradicting? I thought it was still consistent though. After all, the Badlands could hardly be seen in that small map...
If I'm not mistaken, it had the river that split remerging into a single river to the west, and the river coming down from Dunan by Banner ending (as in going underground, since we know that Dunan drains to Toran). The new maps change that, linking those rivers together... I have a larger version of the map from the video now, and it can be seen that the previous versions of the Badlands area (if I'm remembering it correctly, and I believe I am cause I'm sure the SuikoX map was based on it) has been changed to what's visible on the map I linked to that I'm making.

Edit: Spelling fixes.
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First thing when I looked at the Suikoden V map and then the world map provided to me, I immediately said that it had to be either mountains of highlands, mostly unsettable aside from small villages like Caleria and such. It'd be more like a protective wall to the north for Falena, making the place even better to form a nation in. Training in geography and the reasons for nations and cities developing where they have has taught that as a natural response.
Agreed. The Falenan also regard the mountains highly, as they are the main source of water for the great Feitas River. Also, when they spell out their immediate neighbours in the game, we also learn that Gaien and the Island Nations are their direct northern neightbours, hence the conclusion.
The new maps change that, linking those rivers together... I have a larger version of the map from the video now, and it can be seen that the previous versions of the Badlands area (if I'm remembering it correctly, and I believe I am cause I'm sure the SuikoX map was based on it) has been changed to what's visible on the map I linked to that I'm making.
Care to share a copy of the snapshot? Or even the video itself, if possible. (If compression for faster transfer is even possible?)
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Dam, so let me get this straight. The island nations are north of falena. In IV, they say that the scarlet moon empire was north of the island nations. In I and II, Dunan, is north of the scarlet moon. That is quite odd, you would think Dunan would be a little colder. Also, didnt Amada say in II that he was from the west? Since he was from the island nations, that throws everything out of wack, since Dunan is north of Scarlet and they said in four that Scarlet was north of the island nations. :shock: :shock: :shock: I think im lost, can someone clear it up for me?
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Mad Prince of Highland wrote:Dam, so let me get this straight. The island nations are north of falena. In IV, they say that the scarlet moon empire was north of the island nations. In I and II, Dunan, is north of the scarlet moon. That is quite odd, you would think Dunan would be a little colder. Also, didnt Amada say in II that he was from the west? Since he was from the island nations, that throws everything out of wack, since Dunan is north of Scarlet and they said in four that Scarlet was north of the island nations. :shock: :shock: :shock: I think im lost, can someone clear it up for me?
he is from the Island Nation. I can't recall him saying he came from the west but it might mean he was in the Grasslands before going to Dunan.
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Thanks Wraith, you may be right on that one. I dont think he did say west, my bad.
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Thanks for the map map link, i have to remember to save it this time.

I did notice though, that on the suikox map that between dunan and toran republic there is a river and it looks kind of grasslandish. In the past, it was hypothesized that there was a desert wasteland between Dunan and Toran.

This is perhaps contradicted by the event of travelling form Dunan to Toran in suikoden II, but there could still be a desert since this happens in the mountains, which has a river running through it directly to the republic. It also seems less likely because of Dunan/Toran fighting, but it used to be thought this 'wasteland' was there.

I also remember some people also mentioning that the the desert may have been created in a fight between crowley and mazus. Anyone remember if this is true, and know if the suikox map has that small part wrong?
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Post by patapi »

The desert (also knows as the Badlands) lie between the Senan region and South Window. However, by the east shore, Dunan and Toran shares a mountain range that loosely connect the area north of the Secret Factory to Banner Pass and Rokkaku, leading to the entrance to Dunan through Radat Town.

When you travel back and forth between the two nations in Suikoden II, you used the latter route.
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http://www.theirstar.com/images/atlas/wm_pol_lrg.jpg

here another version... it just a draft, not exactly map of suikoden world.
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patapi wrote:The desert (also knows as the Badlands) lie between the Senan region and South Window. However, by the east shore, Dunan and Toran shares a mountain range that loosely connect the area north of the Secret Factory to Banner Pass and Rokkaku, leading to the entrance to Dunan through Radat Town.

When you travel back and forth between the two nations in Suikoden II, you used the latter route.
I never realized untill just now after looking at all these various maps how long of a trek Riou and company had to endure each time they're escorted to Gregminister from the border. I, for one, am glad we didn't have to play through it all.
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I have to say, Atreides map here is actually quite impressive. Nice attention to detail. I was a multimedia editor (photo/video/sound) for a number of years, and I can see that it looks like it took a fair amount of time to complete. Very nice work!
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Post by thcrock »

JeaneLover: That's not Atreides' map, it was made by John Layfield of theirstar.com. Its the biggest map in their atlas section.
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KoRnholio wrote:JeaneLover: That's not Atreides' map, it was made by John Layfield of theirstar.com. Its the biggest map in their atlas section.
Plus the outlining of that map is from Konami.
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