Tinto landscape

RageRune · Post by **RageRune** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:57 pm

When I went to the Tinto area, I noticed how some of the trees there were bare and dead and no grass. Also, the wingers who lived there left the mountains there because of the mines bring drilled, so did the Tinto people ruin the landscape on that area, or was it always like that there? Opinions?

Post by **Vextor** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:25 pm

yeah, the Tinto people ruined the landscape.

Harukaze · Post by **Harukaze** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:19 pm

Wonder how they've managed to survive as an independent nation, then ^_^ Sure, they have the mines to create their own coin, but how much of that must go for the importation of food alone? The thought is staggering.

RageRune · Post by **RageRune** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 8:02 pm

Maybe Tinto having a scarce landscape is the reason why their expanding thier territory and having border conflicts with Zexen.

Post by **Vextor** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 9:46 pm

That's pretty much the case. Tinto's mines are pretty much the only thing that keeps Tinto alive, and that's why Gustav has continued to attack Grassland to gain more territorry. Tinto is also a major source of the extremelt rare "water gems," which is a critical component for rune masters in order to remove/attach runes. Water gems are very expensive, and thus warms up Tinto's coffers quite a bit.

Harukaze · Post by **Harukaze** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:37 pm

I'd forgotten that fact. It's such a quiet fact that it's hard to remember it, at times.

I wonder: from where does Tinto import her food? Surely not from the Grasslands, if they're always at war, and I'm not sure their Dunan neighbors have such an abundance to be able to afford to export any; don't some of the other states import from Grasslands to begin with, during the timeframe of GS2? Matilda in particular, I think it was...?

Post by **Vextor** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 8:52 pm

Tinto seems to have traded with Zexen quite often. This was partly the reason why they fought with the Grasslanders so often--they attacked their trade convoy. Either that, or they required Tinto to pay money for passage.

In Suikoden 3, Lilly Pendragon says that Tinto caravans were being attacked by the "Flame Champion," as well.

I'm sure Tinto also traded with Jowston.

LadyChris · Post by **LadyChris** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 9:18 pm

Border conflicts? How close ARE they to eachother? I guess 3's world map didn't show all of Zexen.

lucreborn · Post by **lucreborn** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 9:57 pm

LadyChris wrote:Border conflicts? How close ARE they to eachother? I guess 3's world map didn't show all of Zexen.

Their not really that close. Tinto is actually closer to Harmonia than Zexen. The border Conflicts were most likly conflicts from the war.

LadyChris · Post by **LadyChris** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 10:05 pm

That's what I was thinking, since a lot of Zexen is way to the West of th 3rd map and Tinto is in the South West of the 2nd map(Ithink.)

lucreborn · Post by **lucreborn** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 10:09 pm

If you want to see a really good repataion of the suiko map go here

http://www.suikox.com/geo/map.html

It was made by SARS very good job he did indeed

Post by **Vextor** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 11:00 pm

That map has a lot of speculation as well, so it's best to think of it as "reference only." However, Konami has given official info on the location of Grassland in relation to Dunan and Harmonia, so the positioning should be correct. I already have a new map with an accurate rendering of the Island Nations, but I havn't made that public yet.

Anyhow, there's good reason to suspect that Tinto rapidly expanded it's borders after the Dunan Unification War. Below is my speculation based on the number of wars Tinto has fought with Grassland and Zexen.

http://www.suikox.com/ed/grasslands40422.html

LadyChris · Post by **LadyChris** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 1:30 am

How do you know Zexen had a war with Tinto after the Last Fire bringer war?
I don't remember anything about that. Thanks, the map was a big help.

Post by **Vextor** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 1:51 am

When you clear Suikoden 3, it shows what happened to each character after the war. In Borus' entry, it will say that he participated in to war between Zexen and Tinto.

LadyChris · Post by **LadyChris** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:11 am

Oh yeah! I beat it a while ago. It's weird that I wouldn't remember Borus' because he's a fav. character of mine.