Official history of the heros/castles/army/countries names?

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Official history of the heros/castles/army/countries names?

Postby Wicht » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:37 pm

I've seen another topic about this before but a lot of the content isn't canon and a lot of it speculation. I'm replaying the games and I'd like to know the proper names for the castles, main hero and army/country.

Everything else doesn't seem so concrete, can anyone shed some light on this subject? Proof, sources? I'd perfer people to respond with proof then what you think sounds better or cool or just what you picked for some play through. So anything from the novels would be more correct then anything else.

(Unrelated but the so called name glitch from Suikoden to Suikoden II I found clever. Since Tir disappeared from history I thought it was neat that you take T from Tir and cDohl to get TcDohl as an alias.)

[Suikoden III hero is Thomas as he is the character you name, Hugo, Chris and Geddoe are default names.]
(I also marked the 'country' as Grassland because the majority of the game takes place here, even though Tinto, Zexen and Harmonia get involved all the territories were once part of a larger Grassland before their take over so it stands to reason.)

From what I have seen and read in the past, I think most of this infomation is correct:

Suikoden

Hero: Tir McDohl
Castle: Toran
Army: Toran Liberation Army, The
Country: Toran Republic

Suikoden II

Hero: Riou
Castle: Dunan
Army: Dunan Alliance Army, The
Country: Dunan Republic

Suikoden III

Hero: Thomas
Castle: Budehuc
Army: Fire Bringer Liberation Army, The
Country: Grasslands

Suikoden IV

Hero: Lazlo/Razro (Based on the translation from the novelization either choice is correct depending on your preference.)
Ship: Dauntless
Army: Island Nations Liberation Army, The
Country: Island Nations Federation

Suikoden V

Hero: Freyjadour Falenas
Castle: Ceras
Army: Loyalist Liberation Army, The
Country: Falena

Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/108_Stars_ ... _(Suikoden)
http://suikoden.wikia.com/wiki/Suikoden_Wikia
http://www.suikosource.com/

Any help would be appreciated, especially those that have read the novels. :)
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Re: Official history of the heros/castles/army/countries nam

Postby Antimatzist » Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:57 am

III: The countries stay all the same. Firebringers is correct imo.

IV: Well, Razro seems to be more accurate than Lazlo (the Pachislot machine even romanizes him as such). INF is correct.

V: The country stays the same.

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Postby Raww Le Klueze » Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:08 am

There aren't any official histories of hero/castle/army/country names.

The only ones are Toran Castle and Dunan as that's the default name if you don't load data and anything you don't get to name. Anything that requires player input has no canon name, Tir, Riou, Freyjadour are all from non-canon sources such as novels.

And it's Fire Bringer. Not one word, not plural.
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Postby suiko2fan2 » Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:38 am

Not sure how it is cannon, but in the Suikoden II, if you dont upload any data from your game, the castle from SI is called "Aurora" and likewise if you Suikoden III, if you don't upload the the data from the previous, they the (Zexen Council) calls your country the Duncan Republic.
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Postby Wicht » Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:13 pm

Raww Le Klueze wrote:There aren't any official histories of hero/castle/army/country names.

The only ones are Toran Castle and Dunan as that's the default name if you don't load data and anything you don't get to name. Anything that requires player input has no canon name, Tir, Riou, Freyjadour are all from non-canon sources such as novels.

And it's Fire Bringer. Not one word, not plural.


Well as I said in my original post, novel infomation is pretty close to being canon more so then speculated guesses. So by all means if you know them post'im here it'll help me out regardless.

As for 'Fire Bringer' it stands to reason the True Fire Rune holder prior has that title but an army, pretty sure it'd be plural. I have to reply the game to see for sure though. Doesn't make sense to call them 'Fire Bringer' rather then Fire Bringer(s) but again its been a few years since my last play through. Thanks for the input regardless! (I was wrong, looks like Fire Bringer is the correct term. As I found on Gensopedia. [Although I don't consider everything written there is 100% accurate but it certainly seems a reliable source.]

Antimatzist wrote:III: The countries stay all the same. Firebringers is correct imo.

IV: Well, Razro seems to be more accurate than Lazlo (the Pachislot machine even romanizes him as such). INF is correct.

V: The country stays the same.


Again its been awhile since I played these games, can you list the proper Country names then? I mean the ones that have no change by end of game that is.

Razro? I have never heard or read that anywhere, I always see Lazlo.
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Postby Antimatzist » Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:31 pm

As for 'Fire Bringer' it stands to reason the True Fire Rune holder prior has that title but an army, pretty sure it'd be plural. I have to reply the game to see for sure though. Doesn't make sense to call them 'Fire Bringer' rather then Fire Bringer(s) but again its been a few years since my last play through. Thanks for the input regardless!

No, Raww is right, it's just mistranslated (as nearly everything in Suikoden III...), afaik the Fire Bringer are mentioned in Suikoden II, too, and called Keepers of the Flame.

Well as I said in my original post, novel infomation is pretty close to being canon more so then speculated guesses.

To add to novel information: In the mangas, Hero I's name is Louie and Hero II's is Tao, Hero V's is Ardil.

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III: Zexen Confederacy, Grasslands, Holy Kingdom of Harmonia
V: Queendom of Falena

@Razro: I told you where you can find the information.. but here you are. http://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/201011 ... 769520.jpg

Lalzlo and Razro are the same in Japanese, but Razro makes more sense imo. I think I read somewhere he was named after the town Razril.

I guess Lazlo comes from a fan translation, so Razro is more official.. somehow.

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Postby Raww Le Klueze » Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:41 am

Lazlo is just what people romanized the name in the novel to because it's the logical step since it's an actual name. But like Tir, Riou, Freyjadour, Adil, and Faroushe there's was no official romanization until the pachi-slot came out so now we know that it's Razro.
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Postby Wicht » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:07 am

Raww Le Klueze wrote:Lazlo is just what people romanized the name in the novel to because it's the logical step since it's an actual name. But like Tir, Riou, Freyjadour, Adil, and Faroushe there's was no official romanization until the pachi-slot came out so now we know that it's Razro.


Wow, I didn't even know about the pachi-slots, works for me. Razro sounds much better then Lazlo. I'll update the original post with it. Any additional information guys, keep it coming. It'd be nice to get as close to accurate info as I can. I know its not all offical but pretty damn close y'know?

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Postby eldrasidar » Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:22 pm

Razro may be more official(not sure how much trust I would place on the pachi-slot transliteration given suikoden's less that stellar track record with that), but it still sounds like scooby doo english to me at least. Of course, if you're unfamiliar with scooby doo, it might sound better, particularly if you're Japanese and thus L and R aren't distinct sounds.

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Postby DoReMi_Vampire » Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:58 pm

A few other names that aren't canon are Jillia and possibly Mazus. I'm 100% sure that her name is actually Jill from looking at the Japanese spelling in Suikogaiden. And Mazus was actually supposed to be called Mathers, if you believe Gensopedia.
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Postby Coyote42 » Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:51 pm

For Lazlo/Razro- either will work. I know in Korean the same character can be pronounced as either a R or L sound. I suspect Japanese/Chinese is similar.

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Postby wataru14 » Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:35 am

Razro from Razril? I'll stick with Lazlo, thanks.

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Re: Official history of the heros/castles/army/countries nam

Postby EstrangedIX » Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:42 pm

Exactly, and what's to say that it couldn't have been meant as Lazlo from Lazlir? The Engrish version of his name drives me nuts because Lazlo is just as valid and makes more sense considering it's an actual name. There are plenty of Engrish mistransliterations in the world and I think it's better to acknowledge that him being called Razro in the pachislot game is just another example of that. Sorry for the rant, but the Scooby Doo name is a huge pet peeve of mine.
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Postby Antimatzist » Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:30 pm

Still, an official mistranslation is still more official than an in-official fantranslation which is, well, in-official. I mean what should Konami do to make it more "official" than this?

By that logic, I'll start calling Cloud Strife from FF VII Kraut Streif from now on, because I think this is more accurate than Cloud and the Katakana should be the same.

We can of course discuss the sense of the names, but their status as official or non-official isn't based on sense.

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Postby Raww Le Klueze » Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:39 pm

I find the notion that "I don't like it, therefor it has to be wrong!" to be ludicrous. It's the official romanization, deal with it.

The fact that Lazlo is an actual name is irrelevant and speaks as much against it as for it considering that half the names in Suikoden are made up.

I don't see people who dislike the name Louie McDohl assuming the author of the manga is a moron just so they can get around it and call him Ryuui instead. Nor do I see people disavowing Jillia even though there's nothing that even resembles an a sound in the Japanese.

Have there been name mistranslations? Sure, Mazus, Kirke, Dunceney to name a few, and there we have the creators actually telling us that yes, they were incorrectly translated yet people aren't using their correct spellings but Razro, no we can't have that, cause that's just silly.

Oh, and as an aside, in Suikogaiden the Dunan Unification Army is consistently called "the New Allied/Alliance Army" if you don't load data so that's about as official and canon as it's gonna get.
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