Suikoden with the best and worst named characters?

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Re: Suikoden with the best and worst named characters?

Postby 27x4=108 » Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:53 am

Hirathien wrote:A bystander or a little boy, not a great general...


Hahahah i love the books like "teo goes to school", "teo goes to war", "teo duels with pan and fucks your 108 stars"
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Re: Suikoden with the best and worst named characters?

Postby robinfire23 » Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:12 am

27x4=108 wrote:"teo goes to school", "teo goes to war", "teo duels with pan and fucks your 108 stars"



LoL!! That's really funny!! XDDDD
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Re: Suikoden with the best and worst named characters?

Postby 27x4=108 » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:58 am

Tru story bro.


And about "Pan", its "bread" in spanish, so its a stupid name too.
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Re: Suikoden with the best and worst named characters?

Postby Hirathien » Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:15 pm

Well, it's Pahn. Not Pan.

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Re: Suikoden with the best and worst named characters?

Postby Vextor » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:14 pm

Teo does indeed mean "god" so it's not too bad of a name.
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Postby TrueWater00 » Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:22 pm

I actually thought Teo was a very good and interesting name for a general, I liked it.
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Re: Suikoden with the best and worst named characters?

Postby 27x4=108 » Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:30 pm

Hirathien wrote:Well, it's Pahn. Not Pan.


But for me its still "pan" when I pronunciate it, its like "breahd" for you xD

There are worst names, like Hortez etcetcetc, or some that seem to be minstranslated, like Raura ( Laura? )
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Postby Gen. Dirge » Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:48 am

Both Pahn and Teo sounded like little school boys to me :\ ...
Y'know, the type who like frolicking in flowery meadows after lunch time. With a dog named Butz. XD
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Postby Gen. Dirge » Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:50 am

27x4=108 wrote:Tru story bro.


And about "Pan", its "bread" in spanish, so its a stupid name too.

I used to call him "bread." XD
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Postby TrueWater00 » Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:18 am

Gen. Dirge wrote:Both Pahn and Teo sounded like little school boys to me :\ ...
Y'know, the type who like frolicking in flowery meadows after lunch time. With a dog named Butz. XD


LOL I LOVE IT!, ahh yes, little Pahn and his little school yard chum Teo, Prancing about in the back yard, with their faithful companion Butz! I SMELL A SITCOMMM
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Postby Sagiri » Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:38 pm

TrueWater00 wrote:
Gen. Dirge wrote:Both Pahn and Teo sounded like little school boys to me :\ ...
Y'know, the type who like frolicking in flowery meadows after lunch time. With a dog named Butz. XD


LOL I LOVE IT!, ahh yes, little Pahn and his little school yard chum Teo, Prancing about in the back yard, with their faithful companion Butz! I SMELL A SITCOMMM

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Re: Suikoden with the best and worst named characters?

Postby Rooks » Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:11 pm

Vextor wrote:Teo does indeed mean "god" so it's not too bad of a name.



Hmm yes and no. Listen, Gaeilege is one of the toughest languages in the world. There are five definitions for every word and five words for every definition, as the saying goes. I do not speak it naturally, but according to one nineteenth-century commentator, those who do speak it naturally are "so vocabulous that they are quite determined to never in their lives use the same word the in same way twice." The language is literally innumerable; all attempts to create a serious Irish and Scotch Gaelic dictionary have only served to be a laughingstock to natural speakers of the language. Not to mention that you still have five distinct dialects in Ireland and three in Scotland, plus others that are now lost.

Teo (it is best pronounced Tay-oh) can refer to a "God" of the tuatha de (two ah ha day), but the word most commonly used for them -both historically and in modern-day- is "aBhan" or just "Bhan" -pronounced "a-Von"- the word for "God" in the Christian sense is "Dia" (pronounced "Gia"). This holds true for both the Catholic and Protestant natural speakers. Besides, if you are refering to a person or God with the word "Teo" it would actually be "aTheo" (the TH is silent, simply pronounced a-A-O). If you are referring to an inanimate object, using the word as a noun, the word can mean: "Land" "Underground" "Country/Nation" "Soil" "Rock" "Cliff" etc etc. Do not even ask about the Verb form of the word. . . Really, the word is kinda outmoded in the modern era and is not used anymore.

I can see someone from Asia mangling the word to make it sound more like "Tao," this might be why he is named this way.

On that note, Tir (tier), means nothing much as well, but if you add "An," meaning "the," to the front then An-Tir (un-tier) means "The Kingdom." Literally in the modern-day this is a reference to the United Kingdom, or Northern Ireland, as opposed to the "Republic" or the Republic of Ireland. Though in classical Irish this word was used to refer to Ireland as a whole. Oddly, in the game, Tir created a Republic, the Republic of Toran.

Personally, I think this might be a reference to the ongoing strife in Ireland. But who knows, there is know way to tell how much of Gaeilege anyone involved with these games could speak.

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Well, aBhan as a term for a "God" might need a bit more explanation: Take the word "Banshee," literally Ban (God) Shi (Woman). This means a "Female God," implying the ancient Celtic religion. The first letter of the word "Ban" is almost always aspirated to "Bhan" changing the "B" sound to a "V" sound. So, "Bahnsei" becomes Bhansei, then is romanized to Banshee. Yeah, Gaelic is a ridiculously complicated language.
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Re: Suikoden with the best and worst named characters?

Postby eldrasidar » Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:55 pm

of course, that assume's the translators were even thinking about Gaelic when they translated the name. Teo could just be short for Theodore(I've known a Theodore that went by that, rather than Theo). Tir could just as easily be from the old norse Tyr which means god(also can be a particular god, depending on the context, old norse is tricky). then again, it's just as likely, Teo or Tir, just happened to be phonetically similar to the japanese names, or they are gibberish.

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Re: Suikoden with the best and worst named characters?

Postby Rooks » Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:09 pm

eldrasidar wrote:of course, that assume's the translators were even thinking about Gaelic when they translated the name. Teo could just be short for Theodore(I've known a Theodore that went by that, rather than Theo). Tir could just as easily be from the old norse Tyr which means god(also can be a particular god, depending on the context, old norse is tricky). then again, it's just as likely, Teo or Tir, just happened to be phonetically similar to the japanese names, or they are gibberish.


Yes, true. Honestly you might be right that they are gibberish. But is is the surname "McDohl" that makes me think they were trying for Gaelic. No other language uses the surname prefix like Gaelic: Mc or Mac literally means "son" in both Scotch and Irish. So, "Son of Dohl." Dohl itself sounds Scottish to my ear too.
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Re: Suikoden with the best and worst named characters?

Postby eldrasidar » Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:00 pm

that would assume that the first name and the second name are supposed to have the same origin, and more importantly, that the Japanese are particular keen on the distinctions between various parts of European naming conventions. then again, many european names are confusing in origin. this was an interesting article today on English names(and scottish to an extent) and the effect of the norman conquest on them: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-10776581

if you want a great example of japanese developers throwing together random names, look no further than Valkyria Chronicles. it's a great example of random naming. some are alright, others are more unusual. However, given that most of these characters are supposed to be from the same small country(based on Denmark, if I had to guess), their names are all over the place.


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