Is this seat taken, little girl? (gender confusion)

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Blutigengel wrote:Heh, funny Gray, because on Senso this one member says that it says Kasios is male in some publication, and he keeps correcting everyone. I guess we'll never know :(
You know at Due Fiumi, the Gensopedia has stated that Kasios is a male.
In Old Book Volume 5, Kasios' entry reads as this : Balladeer. Deeply in love with Milich, to whom she sings. This is wrong; Kasios is indeed a man. Whether he truly is in love with Milich or this is simply true and deep respect remains to be known
That is in the trivial box under Kasios Gensopedia entry. If he truly was in love with Milich, we may have found our first homosexual character who was opened about it in a book.
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Might be a translation error, not surprising in a Suikoden game...
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Oh yeah, I also thought that Sasarai was a girl until Luc called him a "he"..oops. :oops:
I actually thought "so a little girl is leading the enemy army now? WTF".
And I mistook Simone for a woman. Why is there a GUY named Simone anway? That's a female name.
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I think it was Simeon, not Simone, but a made-up name like that can go either way. His dress-like gown didn't help, either.
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There's a Simeon and a Simone. I think what the translators did with Simone is they thought maybe they were making a French version of Simon, of course I'm just speculating though. Kind of like how Jean can be a girls' name, but it can also be a Frenchman's name.
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Yeah, I meant the one from Suikoden II. He looked like an old lady to me.
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Whoops, sorry Freak (I feel weird calling someone that!), I was thinking of Simeon for whatever reason. Though I suppose he can be mistaken for a woman too. But yeah, I've never heard Simone as a male's name before, but he has a mustache, right? I never had trouble with the narcissist's genders, as they just look like old-school noblemen. Makes me think of George Washington and the other founding fathers in the US's wig days.
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Augustine is a female's name as well?

What's even more scary is that these early narcissists are officially assigned the indeterminate gender in publications. The Card Stories, for example.
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Augustine is not necessarily a female name. In fact it is more famously a man's name. One of the most famous Christian theologians was a monk named Augustine.
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patapi wrote:What's even more scary is that these early narcissists are officially assigned the indeterminate gender in publications. The Card Stories, for example.
Heh, I never knew that. That's kind of weird. So the developers are basically saying that they're hermaphrodites?
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Having problems with alot of characters...
Dokter hu, his assistent tuta... Zamza was actually quite clear to me..£
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Soooooooo....

Is Kasios a man or what?

Maybe s/he's a hermaphrodite, and I don't mean that in any jovial way - it would happily explain the constant confusion and solves all the translation glitches. I'm happy for h/er/im to be a he-she.

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kasios is a man, a more effeminate man than some, but a man. Honestly, I've never had a single issue identifying gender in any suikoden. watch enough anime and read enough manga critically and you begin to pick up on tell tale signs of male characters and female characters that various Japanese artists use. none of them are rules set in stone, but a large presence of some as opposed to others makes it pretty clear. also, the addition of voice acting should make it especially easy(for those characters that get a line).

using names as a reference is probably a poor choice, since a lot of names either are gender neutral or have switched gender over time. Augustine, Kimberly, Kelly, Mel, Morgan, Quincy, Seneca, Simone, Taylor, are all examples of this. Other names are just plain made up so they really aren't helpful at all.
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The only ones that messed me up were:

Suikoden 1 - Melodye, Kasios

Suikoden 2 - Wakaba

Suikoden 3 - None.

Suikoden 4 - Aldo for some reason.

Suikoden 5 - Shula Valya.
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King Krimson wrote:The only ones that messed me up were:

Suikoden 1 - Melodye, Kasios

Suikoden 2 - Wakaba

Suikoden 3 - None.

Suikoden 4 - Aldo for some reason.

Suikoden 5 - Shula Valya.
Aldo does look a bit feminine. I guess its the long hair and stuff. Plus the way he behaved toward Ted.
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