The Sun Runes Power

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Wraith
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The Sun Runes Power

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Can the Sun Rune directly affect matter? When Arshtat attacked Lordlake nothing got destroyed directly, the water got vaporized and all the plantlife died apparently after the attack( since all the trees are still there). When Arshtat attacked that Godwin soldier she destroyed him completely, including the corpse and clothing. Offcourse this is because otherwise how would the Sun Rune be able to kill someone? Dehydrate them? Also the Underground Ruins arn't destroyed, they just looked abandoned.

So did the Sun Rune's attack(the one from the Old Dynasty) kill anyone directly or did they all die of mallnurioutment(sp?) and dehydration? An option is that along with the scorching of the land itself it killed everyone in its path.
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That would mean that it doesn't really use "fire" but more just heat to dry things out and such. However the Sun Rune was used to physically destroy several individuals and if you heat something up enough it will burst into flames, including stone. Also didn't they destroy the dam with the Sun Rune?

Even if the Sun Rune doesn't use Fire as it's base attack and only Heat you can still damage something physically with heat. Which makes sense with the Heal/Nuture you can heal something with warmth and bring life with light. However you can OVERDO it and use it to an extreme which destroys. The TFR cannot do that, it only burns ie destroys. So the Sun Rune then uses so much heat on things that they dry, break and eventualy disintergrate.
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ShardStar wrote:That would mean that it doesn't really use "fire" but more just heat to dry things out and such. However the Sun Rune was used to physically destroy several individuals and if you heat something up enough it will burst into flames, including stone. Also didn't they destroy the dam with the Sun Rune?

Even if the Sun Rune doesn't use Fire as it's base attack and only Heat you can still damage something physically with heat. Which makes sense with the Heal/Nuture you can heal something with warmth and bring life with light. However you can OVERDO it and use it to an extreme which destroys. The TFR cannot do that, it only burns ie destroys. So the Sun Rune then uses so much heat on things that they dry, break and eventualy disintergrate.
That dousn't explain why the citizens of Lordlake survived and why most of the trees were left standing and didn't brun down. It seems more that the heat isn't that powerfull when used to that scale.
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Post by Suiko-Source »

Perhaps her goal was only to elminate the lake and vegatation?

We can only speculate at this point.
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Agreed, you can vary the heat amount and it could be that she didn't want the vilage leveled, just punished. Again Heat only sets fire after a point. All she did was evaporate the lake which in turn would dry out the surrounding plant life. Then the Barrows and Godwins put up those dams to doubley screw over Lordlake. In the intro you can see the blast coming down and the statue that is in the lake is later seen unscathed. Heat again isn't fire but can set fires, she used a level of heat that didn't set fire to the town. She only focuses the beam on the lake, not on the town so only the surrounding vegetation dried out and for all we know there WERE victims of that blast that we were not told of. If they were too close to where the blast came down.
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Post by humpa »

you gotta imagine things. for example maybe the people outside walking on the streets got burnt to crisp. many houses were on fire and so some children were stuck on the 2nd floor, or maybe one house tipped over and a old guy got crushed by a book shelf.
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Post by Suiko-Source »

I don't think total destruction of lordlake was the queen's intent. Actually i don't think she was in the right state of mind to have any intent in particular other than the fact that she felt betrayed, angry, and vengeful.

It manifested itself using the sun rune's power, and obviously lordlake was the target. It could be that mid-way through her tantrum, she regained her senses and that is why the town itself was spared.

Arshtat's character does not suggest she was methodical in cruelness, but that she does take things personally, as was the situation with lordlake. Many times during the game, she loses control then regains it. I imagine she had greater hold on the rune when she first wore it, but over time her resolve gradually weakens until that fateful night when ferid...

anyhow. I think she regained control in time to prevent the total destruction of lordlake... but that doesn't change the fact the lake got wiped beforehand. Factor in the godwin's damn and its a double jeopordy for the citizens of lordlake. The damn was already polluting the lake anyhow, i believe that was the whole reason for the mob anyhow before barows manipulated things.
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Post by Ancient Cheesecake »

The Barows dam that got Lordlake angry was destroyed. It wasn't Fort Hatred, which belonged to Godwin. Fort Hatred was built after the Lordlake incident. Someone in Lordlake mentions that if it weren't for fort Hatred the town could have recovered.
No offense intended.

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