Razril's Birds

Falenan_descent · Post by **Falenan_descent** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:40 am

What was the whole secret underlying those birds? I've replayed suikoden IV twice and all i can think of is that they're the Razril Army's secret delivery birds. But, that would seem like kind of a lame reason to keep it all "hush hush" considering Ramada got his hands on one.

Jowy Atreides · Post by **Jowy Atreides** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:58 pm

Apparently Razril could be ready for an attack if one of the patrol ships had a Nazel bird and sent a message back to HQ. With the birds gone, Glen has no idea what's going on, and can be easily attacked.

Alex Delferia · Post by **Alex Delferia** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:26 am

If Katarina accidentaly blunders and mentions them in front of every, er, "spice merchants," then Razril's got to have a wonderful military history.

Eyedol · Post by **Eyedol** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 1:35 am

The point of keeping the messenger birds a secret is because different countries employ different means for communication; once Ramada figured out exactly what kind of bird the Knights used, he countered them.

If the Knights were to use ... say, green dolphins ... as messengers, Ramada would have employed a horde of sharks.

That kind of thing.

Post by **patapi** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:57 am

If Katarina accidentaly blunders and mentions them in front of every, er, "spice merchants," then Razril's got to have a wonderful military history.

Interesting and very rational generalisation you got there.

Ushiku · Post by **Ushiku** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 3:23 pm

I think that the Nazel Birds secrecy was basically for strategic military purposes. Therefore Glen scolded Katrina for mentioning them in front of Ramada.

Its just like how the Howling Voice Guild keep their gun powder formula a secret, certain countries have certain things which are in their best interests to keep secret. Its the same in both Suikoden and the real world we all live in, going around sharing your nations secrets basically destroys the whole principle of having secrets.

Komataguri · Post by **Komataguri** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 6:35 pm

I don't see what the problem is here.

This is a sea going society on and island in the middle of the ocean. Obviously they have to use something to communicate, and that something should be considered highly secret if it is a military means of communication, which could make or break a battle.

The secret is that they use specificly Nasel birds, and thus with the secret out, Ramada was easily able to counter the Nasel Bird problem with his big hulking vulture thing bird creature, effectively taking out the razril knights ship by ship until they reached Razril itself, and could launch a suprise attack on the unknowning and unwitting enemy.

Ushiku · Post by **Ushiku** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 6:51 pm

This tactic was used, which is why the birds were so vital a secret which was leaked by Katrina.

Alex Delferia · Post by **Alex Delferia** » Fri May 05, 2006 12:47 pm

patapi wrote:
If Katarina accidentaly blunders and mentions them in front of every, er, "spice merchants," then Razril's got to have a wonderful military history.
Interesting and very rational generalisation you got there.

I wasn't completely serious either.