Plot Holes Throughout the Series (Spoilers, Obviously)

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Re: Plot Holes Throughout the Series (Spoilers, Obviously)

Postby Antimatzist » Thu Feb 12, 2015 6:56 am

Either dead or MIA, as she never appears again, it doesn't matter much (and yeah she is now MIA; though no game ever says that)

You're right about Leon's ending! There are several other inconsistencies (though I wouldn't call them plotholes)

Tai Ho
Returns to Kaku and enjoy a carefree life.

- No, he fights in another war.

Lepant
Returns to Kouan with his family and lives in peace.

He becomes president.

But these are pretty minor considering that it was not sure yet if they could make Suikoden II or not.

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Re: Plot Holes Throughout the Series (Spoilers, Obviously)

Postby BrucePrintscreen » Thu Feb 12, 2015 7:13 am

You can consider these as what they intend to do in the aftermath of the war, but in Tai Ho and Lepant's case, their plans were challenged by circumstances.

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Re: Plot Holes Throughout the Series (Spoilers, Obviously)

Postby sticky-runes » Thu Feb 12, 2015 7:28 am

I don't think retroactive continuity really counts as a plot hole.

Lepant probably did briefly return to a peaceful life in Kouan, but we saw Tir walking away from the capital at the end of Suikoden 1, and the country somebody to take over as president, and Lepant was the most suitable choice.

Tai Ho probably did have a carefree life in Kaku, but then started to get bored and decided to sail off to other waters.

They're not exactly events that defy logic.

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Re: Plot Holes Throughout the Series (Spoilers, Obviously)

Postby Antimatzist » Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:12 am

Lepant probably did briefly return to a peaceful life in Kouan, but we saw Tir walking away from the capital at the end of Suikoden 1, and the country somebody to take over as president, and Lepant was the most suitable choice.

Tir's ending says he became president and that's definitely not true ;)

But as I said, these are minor inconsistencies, not plot holes.

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Re: Plot Holes Throughout the Series (Spoilers, Obviously)

Postby sticky-runes » Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:03 am

it says he became president of the Toran Republic and.... As in, became president and THEN BUGGERED OFF SOMEWHERE. It didn't say anything about him keeping the title. so its not an inconsistency.

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Re: Plot Holes Throughout the Series (Spoilers, Obviously)

Postby BrucePrintscreen » Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:40 am

Yeah, Tir is the William Henry Harrison of the Toran Republic.

Or its Paul Deschanel.

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Re: Plot Holes Throughout the Series (Spoilers, Obviously)

Postby Antimatzist » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:04 pm

sticky-runes wrote:it says he became president of the Toran Republic and.... As in, became president and THEN BUGGERED OFF SOMEWHERE. It didn't say anything about him keeping the title. so its not an inconsistency.

But he never became president. You juts don't "become" president, you have to be elected and I doubt Tir will candidate as president if he wants to leave the country anyway.

But it seems this is also a mistranslation, the Japanese line reads
後事をレパントに託し、気ままな旅に出る
which (according to google translate and a dictionairy) translates more to: He entrusted all affairs to Lepant, then went on a journey.

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Re: Plot Holes Throughout the Series (Spoilers, Obviously)

Postby BrucePrintscreen » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:09 pm

Oh, some people become president without being elected.

(like Gerald Ford)

We know there was a Congress, because Warren was its chairman. In many countries the president is elected by the legislature so that could go fast, no need for campaigning.

Provisional presidents can also be named after revolutions so perhaps he was just put at the head of the state until the new regime could be more properly installed, and he walked off as soon as he could tell everything would be smooth without him. That's the way I saw it anyway.

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Re: Plot Holes Throughout the Series (Spoilers, Obviously)

Postby sticky-runes » Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:19 pm

Just so you know, Viktor's ending was also a mistranslation. Instead of "Missing in action in the final battle" it originally says "Gets drunk and treats sticky-runes to a good shafting."

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Re: Plot Holes Throughout the Series (Spoilers, Obviously)

Postby sticky-runes » Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:38 pm

When crossing Mt. Tigerwolf and meeting Ledon, if you choose to go on with your journey instead of stopping for the night, then everyone in your group including Gremio will head inside the inn and get comfortable, leaving it to their host to chase Tir and bring him back to the inn. Some loyalty, Gremio. Bitch.

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Re: Plot Holes Throughout the Series (Spoilers, Obviously)

Postby Heptade » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:30 pm

Raww Le Klueze wrote:It might qualify as a Deus ex Machina of sorts. It's doesn't really exist to solve an unsolvable situation, but from a game perspective it's a giant final boss for the sake of having a giant final boss. Though a Deus ex Machina is very much the epitome of poor writing so it comes back to that.

A better plot hole is in Suikoden I when Windy says that Ted hasn't changed a bit in 300 years when he clearly has gone from a child to an adult and they've never met between the two events.


That's not necessarily a plot hole. My mother recently saw a friend she hadn't seen in 20 years. The first thing she said was "You haven't changed." Doesn't mean her friend hadn't changed at all, only that she hadn't changed much.

Windy hasn't seen Ted in 300 years. Her memory of his face might be a bit foggy. But when she sees him, she recognizes him at once. Thus, saying "You haven't changed." makes some sense.


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