Was Lazlo given credit for his deeds?

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Was Lazlo given credit for his deeds?

Postby suiken » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:23 am

Granted, he was the worst protagonist on the series. But he is the one that united the island nation and liberated them from the koluuk empire. After his supposed "death", he was just left in a boat without a proper coffin. At least they should have made the boat "glamorous" as he was by any means, not an ordinary person. He was the hero of that war.

Suikoden V made it worse where Chisato made a puppet play on the history of Island Nations. It was Lazlo and Glen who confront Brandeau and beat him thus transferring the Rune of Punishment to Glen. In Chisato's play, it was Flare who defeated Brandeau. This made me conclude that Lazlo became the unsung hero in the Suikoden universe's books.

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Re: Was Lazlo given credit for his deeds?

Postby sticky-runes » Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:46 am

They probably didn't use Lazlo in Chisato's puppet play because of his name - the player decides the hero's name (and not everybody likes these "official" names) so they used a named character like Flare instead. Flare was kind of an iconic heroin to the people of Obel. It also fits in with what Bernadette says about Island Nations royalty having a reckless reputation.

If you play Suikoden Tactics, people do actually mention the hero who fought off Kooluk, and it seems Lazlo isn't particularly bothered about being a legendary hero anyway, he's quite happy to sit on his little island hunting for crabs. I don't think any of the Suikoden heroes are that bothered about being celebrated for their deeds, even McDohl wandered off into the darkness instead of being president of Toran.

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Re: Was Lazlo given credit for his deeds?

Postby suiken » Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:52 am

At least Riou and McDohl have their monuments and statue so people will remember them while Lazlo's history was forgotten into a thin air.

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Re: Was Lazlo given credit for his deeds?

Postby Sasarai10 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:00 am

sticky-runes wrote:They probably didn't use Lazlo in Chisato's puppet play because of his name - the player decides the hero's name (and not everybody likes these "official" names) so they used a named character like Flare instead. Flare was kind of an iconic heroin to the people of Obel. It also fits in with what Bernadette says about Island Nations royalty having a reckless reputation.




That could be solved,by loading S4 data,and recruit Lazlo as an extra character.. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :P


suiken wrote:At least Riou and McDohl have their monuments and statue so people will remember them while Lazlo's history was forgotten into a thin air.




Look...Suikoden timeline was S4 -> S5 -> S1 -> S2 -> S3

The only game that could refer to Lazlo would be S5,because in the first 3 Suikodens the creators haven't yet imagined about Lazlo. And since you couldn't load S4 data in S5 then how the game would pop up the name "Lazlo"? :?:

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Re: Was Lazlo given credit for his deeds?

Postby suiken » Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:35 am

Just because I said Lazlo, it doesn't mean that they should put the name on the game. It could be "Prince" En Kuldes or "The Heroic Razril Knight" LOL. :D

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Re: Was Lazlo given credit for his deeds?

Postby sticky-runes » Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:25 am

"Heroic Razril Knight" would be ok. But at least it's Chisato isn't spoiling the game for people who haven't played 4 yet :wink:

By the way, Lazlo is my favourite out of all the mute heroes. Better costume and better weapon choice than those gimps in the first two games.

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Re: Was Lazlo given credit for his deeds?

Postby eldrasidar » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:10 pm

I never thought I would ever hear someone say Lazlo had a better costume than anybody. Seriously, the black shorts and jacket, in a tropical setting no less, just looked ridiculous.

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Re: Was Lazlo given credit for his deeds?

Postby sticky-runes » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:27 pm

uh - compared to what McDohl was wearing? To borrow from Ain Gide - why would the son of a great general be dressed like a beggar? The family servants were better garbed than him.

And I'll take duel swords over a stick any day.

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Re: Was Lazlo given credit for his deeds?

Postby EstrangedIX » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:29 pm

McDohl's crayon box outfit was pretty out there. Lazlo's jacket was a little weird in the climate, but that outfit in general was way better than his Razril Knight garb. Lazlo's one of my favorite characters too, and I think he looked fine. A scruffier haircut would've been better though lol

As far as recognition goes, it's possible that people associated Lino more with the cause once he joined up. I agree with adding in Lazlo's name (or whatever you chose to call him) from save data. It would've been like seeing Tir and Riou mentioned in the books in III. Speaking of books, I'm not sure that I've checked out all the ones in V. Is there one about the events in IV? He might be mentioned there, although of course not by name.
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Re: Was Lazlo given credit for his deeds?

Postby Antimatzist » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:34 pm

The shorts ruined him for me. On the other hand... look wat Lino is wearing. And he's the friggin' president of that country.

That said, Suikoden's male presidents tend to look strange. Lepant's moustache, Lino's shorts...

Is there one about the events in IV?

Unfortunately, no. No that you mention it, that's really strange. They could have put one in that you can find on the Island Nations island. But they have put a lot of detail into most Old Books in V, so I don't really mind.

As far as recognition goes, it's possible that people associated Lino more with the cause once he joined up.

Too bad we don't know what happened after IV/Tactics. If Lazlo really became king of Obel, then he would have earned his place in the history books. If not, he as maybe more of a side-note like "The figurehead of the Island Nations-Kooluk War was Lino En Kuldes, but it is said that the resistance started with a small group of Ex-Knights of Razril."

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Re: Was Lazlo given credit for his deeds?

Postby EstrangedIX » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:43 pm

Wow that's the first time I've seen someone not like Lepant's 'stache lol

Very odd indeed that there's no book for the Islands' war. That may be because of the different endings and also the events in Tactics since not everyone plays that one, but again this is where importing data would've come in handy.
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Re: Was Lazlo given credit for his deeds?

Postby sticky-runes » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:12 pm

I think importing data from 4 to 5 would be pretty pointless, because it's such a long time after 4, there wouldn't be much data to do anything with to make much of a difference any way.
5 only had a small Island Nations section. It's nothing like 1 and 2, which were only 3 years apart, and the data you use affects events revolving around McDohl and Gremio.

I think it seems fair enough we get references to Lino and Flare, because they kind of drew parallels between the En Kuldes family and royal family of Falena.

Besides, we got Tactics which gave us plenty to do with 4's data.

I love Lepant's porntache. Reminds me of a Celtic warrior.

And yes, Lino's outfit is awful. He should take it off!!! :D

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Re: Was Lazlo given credit for his deeds?

Postby Antimatzist » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:40 pm

Ah, don't misunderstand me, I love Lepant's stache. It just doesn't look very official to me... more like he's an oldschool pimp.

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Re: Was Lazlo given credit for his deeds?

Postby freshmetal » Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:41 pm

Antimatzist wrote:Ah, don't misunderstand me, I love Lepant's stache. It just doesn't look very official to me... more like he's an oldschool pimp.

Lepant IS an oldschool pimp.
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Re: Was Lazlo given credit for his deeds?

Postby EstrangedIX » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:27 pm

sticky-runes wrote:And yes, Lino's outfit is awful. He should take it off!!! :D

I see what you did there lol
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